Quote from: Essessen on December 21, 2015, 05:04:28 PM

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Quote from: SecondClass on December 21, 2015, 04:41:04 PM

>a girl uses the Internet
>"OH MY GOD WTF HE MUST BE A TRANNY LOL IVE NEVER SEEN A GIRL SO I DONT BELIEVE U!!!"

tbf there's like maybe 2 females on this site that aren't confirmed trannies. The odds aren't favorable, no thanks to bungle.

It's so sick that if you say you're a guy, everyone believes you, but if you're a girl, you need to post "proof" and people speculate on your gender and shit. Just disgusting. Get a fucking life.

It's called statistics.

It's called a double standard.

Except it's not. Statistically, users of this site are more likely to be biologically male, this applies to most internet forums in general. When a user claims to be something that is statistically highly unlikely, it is only natural to ask for some form of confirmation that what they're claiming is true. Think about BC for a minute, he has claimed that he is exceedingly wealthy, and many users have routinely demanded evidence when it is relevant to conversation. This is no different than a user on here claiming to be a female.

Asking for "proof" that BC is wealthy is just as fucked up. People don't ask poor people to post proof that they're poor. It's a straight-up double standard, and the fact that you care at all about whether or not people are lying on the Internet (fun fact: anything anyone says here could be a lie) is indicative of the problem.

.... That's because it's more likely for a user to not be wealthy than for a user to be wealthy.

Clearly you don't care about honesty, but surely you understand that logic one follows when they do care about honesty? When they do care about honesty, this is no double standard.

I suppose you could try to think of it as a matter of mere curiosity then. Wouldn't you be curious to know if a highly unlikely claim were true, more so than a highly likely one?

Caring about people lying on the Internet is like caring about people getting refills in restaurants. Point being, it happens all the time and there's no way to keep track of it.

Except, unlike getting refills at a restaurant, lying is something that is widely looked down upon and is rarely socially acceptable. Getting refills isn't breaking any social norms.

"Don't do this thing, except if you're doing it because of the reason that 99% of people do it."

the difference between the trans users here is that we know they're trans
i'm talking about transfolk who have yet to come out

most people who lie about their gender on the internet are doing it for malicious purposes
trolling, leading desperate men on (or women, but it's mostly men), etc.

Quote from: Essessen on December 21, 2015, 05:04:28 PM

Also, have you considered that privacy is a thing? Not everyone wants to plaster their face all over the Internet just to satisfy some creeps who care way too much about others' personal lives.

and nobody's asking anybody to

merely stating the lack of confirmation isn't asking for confirmation

Quote from: SecondClass on December 21, 2015, 05:34:39 PM

"Don't do this thing, except if you're doing it because of the reason that 99% of people do it."

the difference between the trans users here is that we know they're trans
i'm talking about transfolk who have yet to come out

most people who lie about their gender on the internet are doing it for malicious purposes
trolling, leading desperate men on (or women, but it's mostly men), etc.

That's an arbitrary distinction. Even if you're out, you're still the sex you were born as. The reason that most people lie about their gender on the Internet is, outed or not, they want to artificially change that. They want to be treated and thought of as the opposite sex completely, not as a tranny.

Very, very few people who lie about their sex are doing it to "lead on people" or for malicious purposes. I don't know what even gives you the impression that it's some rampant problem.

Why do people fucking care about their gender or wealth??

As far as I see it, i'll just call them whatever they wish to be called. He or she, or it.
If they're lying, woop de do. How much would it truly affect your life if some dude/gal on a forum was lying about their sex or gender?

Boom. Best post in this thread.

If they're lying, woop de do. How much would it truly affect your life if some dude/gal on a forum was lying about their sex or gender?

the fact that i'm speaking to a liar, and that they might not have meant a single word they've ever posted

that bothers me
that REALLY bothers me

Letting it bother you is idiotic.

why is it idiotic to let it bother me

why should i not let bad things bother me

Quote from: SecondClass on December 21, 2015, 05:59:54 PM

Letting it bother you is idiotic.

why is it idiotic to let it bother me

why should i not let bad things bother me

Because it's so insignificant, and it happens constantly. It would be like letting anyone who's ever littered REALLY bother you.

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 21, 2015, 05:45:51 PM

Why do people fucking care about their gender or wealth??

As far as I see it, i'll just call them whatever they wish to be called. He or she, or it.
If they're lying, woop de do. How much would it truly affect your life if some dude/gal on a forum was lying about their sex or gender?

Because if you go around making it a primary part of your persona like BC does with his car avatars and fairly routine threads, or just constantly mention it, then people will pay attention to it and wonder why won't you confirm this thing that you're always going on about being a significant aspect of your character?

Again, whether or not they're lying it doesn't make a fucking difference for you. Them being rich, gay, straight, female, male or whatever else doesn't contribute to personality.

Because it's so insignificant, and it happens constantly. It would be like letting anyone who's ever littered REALLY bother you.

the fact that it happens constantly just bothers me even more--and it should bother you too

also people who litter are scumbags, obviously

So you're bothered by the fact that some RANDOM PERSON OFF THE INTERNET, WHOM YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, Lies about their sex/gender?

yes

you know how they say one lie leads to another?

if you're going to lie about your gender, what else have you lied about?

Quote from: Essessen on December 21, 2015, 06:02:04 PM

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 21, 2015, 05:45:51 PM

Why do people fucking care about their gender or wealth??

As far as I see it, i'll just call them whatever they wish to be called. He or she, or it.
If they're lying, woop de do. How much would it truly affect your life if some dude/gal on a forum was lying about their sex or gender?

Because if you go around making it a primary part of your persona like BC does with his car avatars and fairly routine threads, or just constantly mention it, then people will pay attention to it and wonder why won't you confirm this thing that you're always going on about being a significant aspect of your character?

Again, whether or not they're lying it doesn't make a fucking difference for you. Them being rich, gay, straight, female, male or whatever else doesn't contribute to personality.

Except it does make a difference in that they're either honest or deceiving you, which are also defining things of character.

Quote from: SecondClass on December 21, 2015, 06:03:10 PM

Because it's so insignificant, and it happens constantly. It would be like letting anyone who's ever littered REALLY bother you.

the fact that it happens constantly just bothers me even more--and it should bother you too

also people who litter are scumbags, obviously

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 21, 2015, 06:03:16 PM

So you're bothered by the fact that some RANDOM PERSON OFF THE INTERNET, WHOM YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, Lies about their sex/gender?

yes

you know how they say one lie leads to another?

if you're going to lie about your gender, what else have you lied about?

It's still soma guy on an internet forum, to take it that seriously won't do you any good.
If they lie about living in Alaska, it's not like that changes anything about them.
Or if they are male/female, or rich/poor or anything else. All you'll ever really know is the profile picture and some text.
I could say i'm a 34 year old married woman living in London with 2 kids and a nice husband, who spends her off time on this site since she likes gaming. But I am honest, but even if I did say that and people figured it out it wouldn't make a difference that I still have the username Pip with a Celestia avatar.

I'm confused, are we still applying this to those who don't want to be outed/identified as trans individuals?

no, because that actually makes sense
class thinks that makes up the majority of people who lie--i don't think that's the case

Are you just mad because now you're gay for liking Cindy?

lol what

It's still soma guy on an internet forum, to take it that seriously won't do you any good.
If they lie about living in Alaska, it's not like that changes anything about them.
Or if they are male/female, or rich/poor or anything else. All you'll ever really know is the profile picture and some text.
I could say i'm a 34 year old married woman living in London with 2 kids and a nice husband, who spends her off time on this site since she likes gaming. But I am honest, but even if I did say that and people figured it out it wouldn't make a difference that I still have the username Pip with a Celestia avatar.

you don't think that lying about your character to that extent wouldn't speak volumes of your character as a person?

Quote from: Merry Pipmas on December 21, 2015, 06:11:26 PM

It's still soma guy on an internet forum, to take it that seriously won't do you any good.
If they lie about living in Alaska, it's not like that changes anything about them.
Or if they are male/female, or rich/poor or anything else. All you'll ever really know is the profile picture and some text.
I could say i'm a 34 year old married woman living in London with 2 kids and a nice husband, who spends her off time on this site since she likes gaming. But I am honest, but even if I did say that and people figured it out it wouldn't make a difference that I still have the username Pip with a Celestia avatar.

you don't think that lying about your character to that extent wouldn't speak volumes of your character as a person?

No not really

Because this is the FUCKING INTERNET.

I swear a lot on here, don't I?

You would never see me swearing in real life.