I don't see myself being an office drone...

RomanGladiator · March 02, 2016, 05:13:52 PM

Getting a lot of calls for customer service type jobs, but for some reason there's something in me that keeps saying it's not for me. I want a job where I can be creative, and still be a kid. Don't know anymore, but it's a struggle everyday with my brain and I to decide if I'm going to go through with this grad school shit. Become a teacher just because I like Star Wars and Marvel as kids do? What is this adult thing and how do I do it?

Naru · March 02, 2016, 05:15:44 PM

yea its not for you because its not a fucking career

RomanGladiator · March 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM

Quote from: NariesXcummies on March 02, 2016, 05:15:44 PM

yea its not for you because its not a fucking career

What, being a teacher isn't a career?

MyNameIsCharlie · March 02, 2016, 05:16:55 PM

Two words: Drug. Mule.

Make lots of money, untaxed, and go to exotic places.

Sure there are risks, but the payout is good

Naru · March 02, 2016, 05:17:06 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:16:14 PM

Quote from: NariesXcummies on March 02, 2016, 05:15:44 PM
yea its not for you because its not a fucking career
What, being a teacher isn't a career?

>being an office drone / customer service rep

RomanGladiator · March 02, 2016, 05:17:39 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on March 02, 2016, 05:16:55 PM

Two words: Drug. Mule.

Make lots of money, untaxed, and go to exotic places.

Sure there are risks, but the payout is good

My asshole shall remain un-violated.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM

Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.

MyNameIsCharlie · March 02, 2016, 05:18:54 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:17:39 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on March 02, 2016, 05:16:55 PM
Two words: Drug. Mule.

Make lots of money, untaxed, and go to exotic places.

Sure there are risks, but the payout is good
My asshole shall remain un-violated.

They only do that for small stuff. Get a pilots license or a boat. Then you don't have to jam anything up your ass

RomanGladiator · March 02, 2016, 05:20:46 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM

Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.

But that's the thing, I want a job where I can talk about what I like. History's one of those things, but not as much as science fiction, Star Wars, geeky stuff, video games, etc...

MyNameIsCharlie · March 02, 2016, 05:22:08 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:20:46 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.
But that's the thing, I want a job where I can talk about what I like. History's one of those things, but not as much as science fiction, Star Wars, geeky stuff, video games, etc...

If you can write and market your self well, start a blog and get advertising money

challengerX · March 02, 2016, 05:23:41 PM

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Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:20:46 PM

But that's the thing, I want a job where I can talk about what I like. History's one of those things, but not as much as science fiction, Star Wars, geeky stuff, video games, etc...

Too bad. I want a job where I get paid to sit on my ass and think, but that's not going to happen.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:25:49 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 02, 2016, 05:23:41 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.
LOL

It's true. Work is work, leisure is leisure.

RomanGladiator · March 02, 2016, 05:26:05 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:25:11 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:20:46 PM
But that's the thing, I want a job where I can talk about what I like. History's one of those things, but not as much as science fiction, Star Wars, geeky stuff, video games, etc...

Too bad. I want a job where I get paid to sit on my ass and think, but that's not going to happen.

Philosophy Professor

challengerX · March 02, 2016, 05:27:00 PM

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Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:27:48 PM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on March 02, 2016, 05:26:05 PM

Philosophy Professor

That's not the same thing as just sitting around and thinking. I have curriculum to create, papers to mark, people to talk to. I don't want any of that.

People liking their job is so absurd to me.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 02, 2016, 05:27:00 PM

It's not work if you enjoy it.

No one enjoys work, so if your work is what you enjoy, you'll stop enjoying it fast.

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Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:30:06 PM

I mean, I would marginally enjoy writing music more than I would enjoy flipping burgers. But at the end of the day, I'm still not doing what I want; I'm not there because I enjoy it, I'm there to receive a paycheck.

Korra · March 02, 2016, 05:48:45 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:30:06 PM

I mean, I would marginally enjoy writing music more than I would enjoy flipping burgers. But at the end of the day, I'm still not doing what I want; I'm not there because I enjoy it, I'm there to receive a paycheck.

You're a sad little man.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

Quote from: Korra on March 02, 2016, 05:48:45 PM

You're a sad little man.

Very true.

Though I am getting better. Not wanting to kill myself at every moment in the day, so, progress and such. :)

Jocephalopod · March 02, 2016, 06:02:07 PM

honestly if you don't know what you wanna do try something dangerous...

live the life of this man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Joubert_Duquesne

Ghost Guy · March 02, 2016, 06:27:05 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM

Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.

If you want to enjoy life, they should.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 06:50:13 PM

Quote from: Ghost Guy on March 02, 2016, 06:27:05 PM

If you want to enjoy life, they should.

If you wanna talk about what life "should" be, well, that's an entirely different conversation.

Sandtrap · March 02, 2016, 06:51:44 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: challengerX on March 02, 2016, 05:27:00 PM
It's not work if you enjoy it.

No one enjoys work, so if your work is what you enjoy, you'll stop enjoying it fast.

Not quite. It depends on what you do. Work, these days, is primarily so un-enjoyable because it takes up so much time of your life. Think about it. Imagine any shitty job out there that you don't enjoy doing. Now let's say that rather than go for an eight hour shift, or a twelve hour, you only have to put in four hours.

Sounds like you could wake up every day and do that slightly more enthusiastically, no? The problem itself with work isn't that it's work. Because we always have something to do that we don't really put our hearts into. You don't feel like washing the dishes. But if you leave them there the pile will get bigger and eventually you'll run out of plates.

No, the problem with work in our society is that it takes up too much time of your life.

One hour of dishes? Sure. Four? Bit of a stretch, but still doable. But ten? Or twelve? Imagine that. There are actually people out there who spend their entire waking day washing dishes.

That's one problem. The other, of course, is that society doesn't like it when you don't want to take part in it's bullshit. So it makes it extremely difficult to escape that system and pursue alternatives. It doesn't teach you other ways. And so all you're left with is tunnel vision, peering at that one and only terrible system.

Work doesn't have to be unpleasant though. Truly, the best form of work you could ever strive to do is self employed work. You make the time, you call the shots. But, sadly, you have to have the initiative, intelligence, and drive to pull it off.

Many lack some of those traits. And so they get caught in the trap.

Solonoid · March 02, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM

Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.

This is a shitty philosophy.

If people didn't enjoy their work society never would have come this far.

Passion is the catalyst of progress.

Sandtrap · March 02, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM

Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.

Mind if I tell a story here? This relates to the other post I made, about how stuff we do isn't always hunky dory.

A few years back, I signed on as an aid to a contractor. His specific job was frame work. Now, he liked building structures. So he made that his job. But, he also made himself self employed. The magic words there. He set the funds. He set the time he worked, and how much he worked. And he was great to work with because he paid hired hands under the table money. No shit paperwork. And he didn't rush. He specificially told me to take my time. Keep up a decent pace, but not rush.

I've worked miscellaneous jobs all over. Some official, some not. And this guy was the best to work with. Mainly because he was self employed. But of course, like I said, things aren't always hunky dory. Building a structure isn't easy. And some days you'll hit a snag. Or you'll be tired. And you just won't really feel up to it. Or the weather says fuck you.

But let me tell you, the fact that this guy was so easy going, and the fact that I wasn't under an official contract with him, and that his hours made sense from a sanity perspective, made the toughest days I had with him, arguably tougher than other days on official jobs I worked, easy going.

And the guy loved his work. He took pictures of his in progress work and after he was all done. He was happy when he pulled something off like planned. But, like I said, up and down days too.

Work is work. But you can get enjoyment out of it. I know I did. And I wasn't even the builder. Just the heavy lifter and butler of the work sites.

Sandtrap · March 02, 2016, 07:22:02 PM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 02, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.
This is a shitty philosophy.

If people didn't enjoy their work society never would have come this far.

Passion is the catalyst of progress.

Well I can't really say the guys building the pyramids had a fun time.

Passion's been important to singular individuals who happened to have progressed us forwards but as a whole to say that it was passion that enabled us to come this far is a poor statement.

Take the railroads for instance. I'm sure the guy who thought them up was giddy about it. But the guys on the ground? Not so much. And yet it was their labor that truly enabled the idea to take shape.

Elai · March 02, 2016, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 02, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

If people didn't enjoy their work society never would have come this far.

Lol.

Solonoid · March 02, 2016, 07:25:14 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 02, 2016, 07:16:11 PM
If people didn't enjoy their work society never would have come this far.
Lol.

Quote from: Solonoid on March 02, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

Quote from: Eliab on March 02, 2016, 05:18:28 PM
Learn to separate pleasure from profession. The two don't and shouldn't mix.
Passion is the catalyst of progress.

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Seriously, you have the philosophical opinions of a thirteen year old.