Quote from: Loaf on May 28, 2015, 05:39:27 PM

You're comparing killing people to having sex with children, when sex isn't even inherently bad.

To be fair that was his point. Killing isn't inherently bad.

Both are prima facie bad, though (child molestation and killing) which is where you need to start. Why is child molestation prima facie bad? Well, the most obvious factor is that it manipulates the autonomy of the child (autonomy which is underdeveloped, too) and to such a degree that it usually causes long-term damage to them -- compared to other manipulative acts, like grounding them for misbehaving. This is not only due to the social stigma of pedophilia; it's due to the social (perhaps innate) value we place on sex in general. Sex has a big effect on people. Regarding nature vs nurture I'm not sure how the scales tip, but either way your problem would have to be with sex as a whole, not just pedophilia.

And even if the child enjoys it at the time, as they mature and reflect on it they are almost certainly going to suffer, from the realization that they were violated on such a personal level.

You say the moral gravity of molestation has been blown out of proportion. Perhaps you are right, but that doesn't make it any more morally acceptable -- it just means we are failing to criticize other equally immoral acts.

Yeah not reading all that. I am looking at things from a moral perspective, not a nihilistic perspective. You missed my point.

this is why no one takes loaf too seriously

Quote from: Loaf on May 28, 2015, 06:35:20 PM

That is an extremely nihilistic point,

no it isn't?...

Nihilistic means lacking morals. Killing a person is obviously an immoral act. I really don't have the patience to explain this to you, since you obviously already understand that and were just trying to make a rhetorical argument.

and no, killing someone can sometimes be moral

if someone's raping your wife, you're saying you shouldn't kill him?
well, fuck you

You started off the post by saying "pedophilia isn't wrong, but neither is killing someone". That is an extremely nihilistic point

No, it isn't, which is why I made the distinction between being inherently wrong and prima facie wrong. Killing is generally wrong but there are situations where it may be morally permissible; so it cannot be inherently wrong.

I really don't have any patience for reading an entire argument when I already know where you're going with it from the first sentence.

Well, clearly you don't know, because I made a substantial defense for why child molestation is immoral, which has nothing to do with nihilism.

I find your active refusal to consider different viewpoints very puzzling. Though it looks as though the discussion would have been fruitless anyway.

Quote from: Loaf on May 28, 2015, 06:35:20 PM

You started off the post by saying "pedophilia isn't wrong, but neither is killing someone". That is an extremely nihilistic point

No, it isn't, which is why I made the distinction between being inherently wrong and prima facie wrong. Killing is generally wrong but there are situations where it may be morally permissible; so it cannot be inherently wrong.

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I really don't have any patience for reading an entire argument when I already know where you're going with it from the first sentence.

Well, clearly you don't know, because I made a substantial defense for why child molestation is immoral, which has nothing to do with nihilism.

I find your active refusal to consider different viewpoints very puzzling. Though it looks as though the discussion would have been fruitless anyway.

I see what you were saying now. Sometimes I get into these situations, I am in such a state of mind, I am just basically registering everything that comes my way as basically an attack. So I basically read you argument as that because I didn't expect it to actually come from a neutral place. I will go back and read it, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Quote from: Loaf on May 28, 2015, 06:52:26 PM

I see what you were saying now. Sometimes I get into these situations, I am in such a state of mind, I am just basically registering everything that comes my way as basically an attack. So I basically read you argument as that because I didn't expect it to actually come from a neutral place. I will go back and read it, sorry for the misunderstanding.

well, it REALLY wasn't that difficult

That's pretty condescending, kid. You wanna go play while the big kids talk?

That's pretty condescending, kid.

>19

okay, i guess i'm a kid, though

please don't molest me while i play, okay? kthx

Hasn't pedophilia been correlated to brain damage?

As in a cause of pedophilia or an effect of pedophile relations?

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Quote from: Ushan on May 28, 2015, 06:59:10 PM

Hasn't pedophilia been correlated to brain damage?

I thought siting facts without citation or credible sources was correlated to brain damage? No? I could be mistaken.

that's pretty condescending, kid

Me? Condescending? I think you're a little confused here.

I think you're a little confused here.

says the guy trying to justify his pedophilia

Quote from: Ushan on May 28, 2015, 06:59:10 PM

Hasn't pedophilia been correlated to brain damage?

I thought stating facts without citation or credible sources was correlated to brain damage? No? I could be mistaken.

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Quote from: Ushan on May 28, 2015, 06:59:10 PM

Hasn't pedophilia been correlated to brain damage?

As in a cause of pedophilia or an effect of pedophile relations?

Cause.

I could understand that in cases where the pedophile themselves is emotionally or mentally stunted to a child-like capacity. Definitely not viable as a blanket cause.

You probably have a better understanding of the subject than I.

I'm no expert or anything...

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Quote from: Ushan on May 28, 2015, 06:59:10 PM

Hasn't pedophilia been correlated to brain damage?

As in a cause of pedophilia or an effect of pedophile relations?

Cause.

I could understand that in cases where the pedophile themselves is emotionally or mentally stunted to a child-like capacity. Definitely not viable as a blanket cause.

You probably have a better understanding of the subject than I.

I'm no expert or anything...

I believe you.