It's pretty obviously Wonder Woman, though. You have to give your audience a reason to give a shit about your character first before you explain who they are. The reason people like origin stories so much is because we already know what the character does, so we want to know more about them based on that. Expository information right out the gate is boring, and nobody wants that. Show me why I should care about this character first.

Wonder Woman could've used more screen-time, sure, but I think she was handled well overall.

Lex Luthor was terrible, though, yeah. Everything about him sucked, from his lack of clear motivation or objective and his terrible casting choice. And that hair.

Cut it down. The film went on half an hour too long; a lot of the stuff leading up to the big fight could have been cut/ shortened.

Oh, and turn the sound down. Maybe it was just the screen I was in but the film was uncomfortably loud at times. A lot of the doomsday stuff was unenjoyable to watch because of how loud it was.

I'm trying to think of who would've made a better Lex Luthor.

I think Mark Strong looks the part.

Actually, no, I'm just now reading that the Lex in this movie is actually supposed to be Lex Luthor's son. Huh.

Um, why? Why not just go with the original guy himself? Why go with his geeky-ass son?

the broader plot points are fine & easy to work with. i could improve the movie by a lot but my version would be like an hour longer & have a lot more extended dialogue.

The fucking movie is called Batman vs superman and their fight lasted 15 minutes.

Actually, it's called Batman v. Superman.

That's not being pedantic--I'm finally seeing why they titled it that way. The "v" is often used when describing court cases, like Brown v. Board of Education. It's more formal--dignified. Like a clashing of two ideals, two minds, rather than just a clashing of two physically powerful people. A "vs" would imply that the movie is just a straight-up brawl between the two characters and nothing else.

There's no other reason for it to be titled the way it was.

Quote from: Dietrich Six on March 31, 2016, 12:09:10 PM

The fucking movie is called Batman vs superman and their fight lasted 15 minutes.

Actually, it's called Batman v. Superman.

That's not being pedantic--I'm finally seeing why they titled it that way. The "v" is often used when describing court cases, like Brown v. Board of Education. It's more formal--dignified. Like a clashing of two ideals, two minds, rather than just a clashing of two physically powerful people. A "vs" would imply that the movie is just a straight-up brawl between the two characters and nothing else.

There's no other reason for it to be titled the way it was.

That's interesting insight but my point remains. Doomsday was an unnecessary add on.

Make Bryan Cranston play Lex Luthor

Quote from: Jono on March 31, 2016, 04:42:16 PM

Make Bryan Cranston play Lex Luthor

Yes

YESYESYESYESYESYES

It was either him or Bruce Willis as my choices.

Mark Strong would've fit the DCCU much better than Bryan Cranston.

^ I'll make sure you faggots with shit taste never direct movies then

Quote from: Verbatim on March 31, 2016, 10:51:19 AM

I'm trying to think of who would've made a better Lex Luthor.

I think Mark Strong looks the part.

Actually, no, I'm just now reading that the Lex in this movie is actually supposed to be Lex Luthor's son. Huh.

Um, why? Why not just go with the original guy himself? Why go with his geeky-ass son?

Should have kept the bald head and not made him a fucking spazz.

Have you seen it yet?

Not brought Superman back at the end.

It's pretty obviously Wonder Woman, though. You have to give your audience a reason to give a shit about your character first before you explain who they are. The reason people like origin stories so much is because we already know what the character does, so we want to know more about them based on that. Expository information right out the gate is boring, and nobody wants that. Show me why I should care about this character first.

Wonder Woman could've used more screen-time, sure, but I think she was handled well overall.

Honestly I know nothing about Wonder Woman other than that she's an Amazon.

I think she really needed less screen time.

They should've revealed she was Wonder Woman and then brought her back at the end of the film to have her conversation with Batman.

If she hadn't been in the fight at all we wouldn't just be dealing with an underdeveloped character, we would have more of a setup for a character who is going to be expanded upon, just like every other member of the Justice League was in the film.

In fact, the battle with Doomsday probably would have been much more meaningful that way, if he just showed up during Batman and Superman's fight because. Lex had made a plan to unleash him separately from the conflict between the two heroes, and none of the shit with Martha ever happened.

So Doomsday shows up and they realize they have a responsibility to protect the world together, put their differences aside, and Batman is actually helpful because of his power armor.

Lex Luthor is blamed for Doomsday (because obviously it came from the Kryptonian ship) but he uses his great PR to brush it off as an accident and makes the claim that the beast slumbered there all along, and at the end goes free, allowing him to continue scheming and perhaps play a role in future stories.

I'm trying to think of who would've made a better Lex Luthor.

I think Mark Strong looks the part.

Actually, no, I'm just now reading that the Lex in this movie is actually supposed to be Lex Luthor's son. Huh.

Um, why? Why not just go with the original guy himself? Why go with his geeky-ass son?

No, in the canon his notable aliases are Lex Luthor Jr. but some stories change his father's name.

This is a common misconception that people have when they see the film and hear that his father built the company and was named Lex, but this, like the hair, is another example of Snyder nailing something from the comics.

Although the current canon has Lex building the company, this has not always been the case.