How would you fix the current state of the DCCU?

Mordo · March 25, 2016, 08:53:57 PM

What with the critical response to BvS and just generally how WB are choosing to facilitate this universe I think it's fair to say that the way they've handled this franchise has been pretty shocking. You can't just cram an entire roster of rich characters between two movies in the space of three years and expect to crank out the DC equivalent of the Avengers and not get assblasted for it.

Personally I think BvS should've been a stand-alone Superman or Batman movie, subsequently followed by Wonder Woman at minimum before even thinking about getting a JL movie in the works. I think it's unfair to expect stand-alones for every single member of the JL considering how many there are, but Christ, at least take your time with how you process your cinematic universe for fuck sake.

Verbatim · March 25, 2016, 08:55:56 PM

Stop production.

DAS B00T x2 · March 25, 2016, 08:56:36 PM

Yeah but if they actually paced everything right, the Capeshit fad would be over by the time a JL movie makes sense.

Turkey · March 25, 2016, 08:57:58 PM

Fire ZS, stop rebooting characters and making separate universes, don't rush to release Justice League, and don't worry about origin stories for heroes everybody already knows about.

Mordo · March 25, 2016, 09:00:18 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T 2016 on March 25, 2016, 08:56:36 PM

Yeah but if they actually paced everything right, the Capeshit fad would be over by the time a JL movie makes sense.

tfw we could've been at the dawn of capekino

Fuck Hack Snyder.

DAS B00T x2 · March 25, 2016, 09:03:10 PM

Quote from: Mordo on March 25, 2016, 09:00:18 PM

Quote from: DAS B00T 2016 on March 25, 2016, 08:56:36 PM
Yeah but if they actually paced everything right, the Capeshit fad would be over by the time a JL movie makes sense.
tfw we could've been at the dawn of capekino

Fuck Hack Snyder.

kin... what?

Jono · March 25, 2016, 10:09:57 PM

Stop rushing movies
Stop spoiling the movies in trailers
Stop releasing so many trailers
Get the casting right for characters

MyNameIsCharlie · March 25, 2016, 10:17:36 PM

Make it a high production porn.

The Legion of Supercock

Solonoid · March 25, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

I think the problem is everyone's excering a clone of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

DC is clearly taking a more linear direction with this where everybody is going to be introduced through their association with Superman, and will get their spin off movies after they're established.

Superman is kind of going to be the main character of this franchise, whereas Marvel doesn't really have a main character.

Mordo · March 25, 2016, 11:05:32 PM

Quote from: Solonoid on March 25, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

I think the problem is everyone's excering a clone of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Not really. Although Marvel have pretty much nailed how to establish characters within a shared cinematic universe, it doesn't necessarily mean all of their films are great. If DC had at least followed a similar sort of logistical framework whilst keeping faithful to their own creative processes it would hardly be a 'clone'. A clone of the MCU would be Batman cracking quips every other second while Superman attempts to stop an enemy from using whatever plot device weapon they happen to have created to convenience the plot.

maverick · March 25, 2016, 11:16:57 PM

If I was given the Kevin Feige role of DC, I would basically do an unofficial reboot to the franchise. We start out where we left off with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman all having met but no acknowledgement to previous movies. Lex Luthor is now played by Mark Strong, no questions asked.

We stop making our movies for edgy tweens. All the scripts to upcoming movies after Suicide Squad get tossed and we start over. Look at Amazing Spider-Man 2 as a failure rather than an inspiration. Zack Snyder can produce but no longer directs and Goyer gets fired (unless the bad writing is more WB's fault rather than his).

Wonder Woman is now based in modern times and we cancel the Aquaman and Flash movies but put Green Lantern, Superman and Batman solo movies in before JL 1. The Justice League lineup is Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern and Flash. Cyborg get removed from the lineup and his movie cancelled.

After that, the changes are fairly straightforward: Batman doesn't kill, Joker doesn't look like an idiot, Momoa's costume has color, etc. Find filmmakers that like and respect the characters. We embrace the source material and comic lore instead of trying to reinvent it.

Ingy · March 25, 2016, 11:37:57 PM

First off make Synder cinematographer or something because his visual style is on point but the dude can't make a coherent movie
Force Nolan by gunpoint if necessary to come back and helm the DCCU

Phase I: Justice League

There has to be a heroic lighthearted mood over all these movies
This is the golden age for the original Justice League members
Has to be proud and standing tall

Restart the DCCU with Batman and then bring in the aliens
Starting with Batman would showcase a "normal" Earth and then we can bring in the aliens and start the escalation
Push Batman v Superman and Justice League wayyyyyyyyyyy back
Marvel took years to build their universe before getting to the big team up movie which is why it worked so well
DC is blowing their load prematurely right now by having two movies and then Justice League
Instead of having Justice League first, release the individual hero movies and end this phase by bringing them together to battle Darkseid

Phase II: Trinity War

Have three running story lines with the main Justice League, human government response, and Crime Syndicate tie ins
No individual hero movies but rather always have like two or three main heroes in each movie
This phase is aiming at a more connected universe

Watchtower construction
Develop Superman + Wonderman
Develop rivalries, friendships, and overall dynamic for the Justice League heroes

Bring in Amanda Miller and address rising surge in metahumans
Government forms a secret team of metahumans to combat the JL if needed

Have a Pandora, Phantom Stranger, and Justice League Dark story line to set up Forever Evil

End Phase II with the JLA and JL in an all out brawl, ending in the release of the Crime Syndicate

Phase III: Forever Evil

Phase III has a way darker tone and focuses more on the villains

One movie showing a fight between the JL and CS with the JL ultimately losing
With a defeated JL, we follow Batman who is forced to team up with the villains to bring down the CS
Have movies focusing on villain story arcs following Lex Luthor
Have one movie following Batman in prepping against the CS and teaming up with Lex Luthor

End Phase III by having the villains battling the CS with the villains ultimately winning and restoring Earth to the way it was before

For those who don't know what Trinity War or Forever Evil is, search it up on Wikipedia or read the story line here

Credit goes to DeadpoolSupplier

Justice League ~ Part 22 - Trinity War - Part 1 http://imgur.com/a/n3hFa
Justice League of America ~ Part 6 - Trinity War - Part 2 http://imgur.com/a/PJQjw
Justice League Dark ~ Part 22 - Trinity War - Part 3 http://imgur.com/a/hrfRK
Justice League of America ~ Part 7 - Trinity War - Part 4 http://imgur.com/a/lXkSi
Justice League Dark ~ Part 23 - Trinity War - Part 5 http://imgur.com/a/XoeQ7
Justice League ~ Part 23 - Trinity War - Part 6 http://imgur.com/a/IbSQ3
Justice League ~ Part 23.1 http://imgur.com/a/gsnPq
Justice League ~ Part 23.2 http://imgur.com/a/Ibxy3
Justice League ~ Part 23.3 http://imgur.com/a/ZPVNz
Justice League ~ Part 23.4 http://imgur.com/a/1efZy
Forever Evil ~ Part 1 http://imgur.com/a/WWjb4
Forever Evil ~ Part 2 http://imgur.com/a/tf2A9
Justice League ~ Part 24 http://imgur.com/a/mJtQ9
Forever Evil ~ Part 3 http://imgur.com/a/QbOtQ
Justice League ~ Part 25 http://imgur.com/a/9R5am
Forever Evil ~ Part 4 http://imgur.com/a/D1OBw
Justice League ~ Part 26 http://imgur.com/a/srVDS
Justice League ~ Part 27 http://imgur.com/a/2RXjK
Justice League ~ Part 28 http://imgur.com/a/uxi8A
Forever Evil ~ Part 5 http://imgur.com/a/l0cDi
Forever Evil ~ Part 6 http://imgur.com/a/ezgyB
Justice League ~ Part 29 http://imgur.com/a/672DI
Forever Evil ~ Part 7 http://imgur.com/a/A9f3U

After this we can go back to individual movies and spinoffs
We can do Flashpoint, Injustice, Hush for Batman, Green/Red Lanterns, ect ect

I haven't finished Darkseid War yet but what I have read is extremely good
That could be another major event phase

Elai · March 25, 2016, 11:41:03 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 25, 2016, 11:37:57 PM

Thank god you are not involved in any way, shape or form.

Ingy · March 25, 2016, 11:42:39 PM

Quote from: Eli on March 25, 2016, 11:41:03 PM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 25, 2016, 11:37:57 PM

Thank god you are not involved in any way, shape or form.

Fuck you lady

gats · March 25, 2016, 11:50:10 PM

I think I've made my views on superhero movies clear

🍁 Aria 🔮 · March 26, 2016, 01:21:45 AM

Phase I:
-Superman Origin
-Batman (A Death in the Family)
-Wonder Woman Origin
-Justice League (Trinity)

Part II:
-Superman 2 (Death of Superman)
-The Flash Origin
-Batman 2 (Court of the Owls)
-Green Lantern Origin
-Justice League 2 (Alien Invasion, Martian Manhunter Origin)

Phase III:
-Green Arrow Origin
-Batman 3 (Revenge of the Red Hood)
-Green Lantern 2 (Blackest Night/Knight)
-The Flash 2 (Flashpoint)
-Justice League 3 (Brightest Day)

Phase IV:
-Superman & Batman (Public Enemies)
-The Flash 3 (Rebirth)
-Wonder Woman 2 (War of the Gods)
-Justice League 4 (Trinity War)

True Turquoise · March 26, 2016, 01:44:05 AM

She's getting her own movie like next year, they should have just waited till then

Doctor Doom · March 26, 2016, 01:48:21 AM

Quote from: Precious Tritium on March 25, 2016, 11:37:57 PM

Phase I: Justice League
There has to be a heroic lighthearted mood over all these movies
This is the golden age for the original Justice League members
Has to be proud and standing tall

Restart the DCCU with Batman and then bring in the aliens
Starting with Batman would showcase a "normal" Earth and then we can bring in the aliens and start the escalation
Push Batman v Superman and Justice League wayyyyyyyyyyy back
Marvel took years to build their universe before getting to the big team up movie which is why it worked so well
DC is blowing their load prematurely right now by having two movies and then Justice League
Instead of having Justice League first, release the individual hero movies and end this phase by bringing them together to battle Darkseid

Phase II: Trinity War
Have three running story lines with the main Justice League, human government response, and Crime Syndicate tie ins
No individual hero movies but rather always have like two or three main heroes in each movie
This phase is aiming at a more connected universe

Watchtower construction
Develop Superman + Wonderman
Develop rivalries, friendships, and overall dynamic for the Justice League heroes

Bring in Amanda Miller and address rising surge in metahumans
Government forms a secret team of metahumans to combat the JL if needed

Have a Pandora, Phantom Stranger, and Justice League Dark story line to set up Forever Evil

End Phase II with the JLA and JL in an all out brawl, ending in the release of the Crime Syndicate

Phase III: Forever Evil
Phase III has a way darker tone and focuses more on the villains

One movie showing a fight between the JL and CS with the JL ultimately losing
With a defeated JL, we follow Batman who is forced to team up with the villains to bring down the CS
Have movies focusing on villain story arcs following Lex Luthor
Have one movie following Batman in prepping against the CS and teaming up with Lex Luthor

End Phase III by having the villains battling the CS with the villains ultimately winning and restoring Earth to the way it was before

>New 52