started this job 3 months ago. thats usually the "probabtion" period where they try you out and see if youre a good fit for the establishment. they told me id be making 14 an hour when I started, and "we'll see how it goes from there."

3 months have gone and im going to ask for a raise by the fourth (dont want to seem too greedy) but im not sure how much to ask for. ideally, if theycould match what i was making when i left construction (20/hour) id be ecstatic. but im also realistic and thats quite the jump from 14. im thinking 17 or 18 would be more reasonable, but should i negotiate and start at 20 to bring them down? or actually go for the 20/hour?

Smh, these kids have no idea how to negotiate

Did you accept you for 4th month?
did they extend your contract or did they make you permanent?

theres no contract. they never specifically stated "3 months", thats just what i gathered from talking to people. theyre keeping me on because theyre exceptionally happy with my work.

to put things in perspective, i got my first raise in construction after 2 months, going from 15 to 20 an hour.

Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2017, 02:56:18 PM

Quote from: H. T. on January 05, 2017, 02:46:34 PM

Where are you working? 3 months seems really early to ask for a raise, especially if that was a probationary period.

small engine shop

its weird that you say that though. every person i ask about this irl says 3 months for your first raise, and then once a year after that

Maybe if they lowballed your salary when you were hired, sure. I could see asking for a $2-3 raise, but just realize that asking for $20 is almost a 50% increase, and you probably should have negotiated harder if that's what you were making in a similarly skilled job before this one. If you're not getting any benefits you can leverage that too.

What are more senior guys at the shop making?

i am getting benefits, just fyi.

theres only about 5 of us, and i cant imagine my boss is making any more than 30 or 40 an hour. one of the guys whos been here a year, who i am just as skilled as, is making 20. the other guy is making 22.

Quote from: H. T. on January 05, 2017, 03:02:36 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2017, 02:56:18 PM

Quote from: H. T. on January 05, 2017, 02:46:34 PM

Where are you working? 3 months seems really early to ask for a raise, especially if that was a probationary period.

small engine shop

its weird that you say that though. every person i ask about this irl says 3 months for your first raise, and then once a year after that

Maybe if they lowballed your salary when you were hired, sure. I could see asking for a $2-3 raise, but just realize that asking for $20 is almost a 50% increase, and you probably should have negotiated harder if that's what you were making in a similarly skilled job before this one. If you're not getting any benefits you can leverage that too.

What are more senior guys at the shop making?

i am getting benefits, just fyi.

theres only about 5 of us, and i cant imagine my boss is making any more than 30 or 40 an hour. one of the guys whos been here a year, who i am just as skilled as, is making 20. the other guy is making 22.

Hmm, you could probably get away with asking for $20 based on your skill, but expect a counter offer. Skill can be tricky because it sounds like it's still technically "unskilled" work (i.e., no degree or trade school required), and if costs get too high he could just hire someone new to replace you (despite the learning curve and your obvious skill). idk though. You really have to feel the culture of the shop to know; if it sounds like asking for a raise is the norm, definitely go for it.

If you want $17-18, ask for $21/HR.

Cut the guy some slack, he's asking people who're more experienced in the field, so pointing and going "lol noob" is sort of redundant.

OT: I think like some others said, 3 months might be a bit too early to be asking for a raise, regardless of where you're working. You honestly JUST started the job. I'd say wait until like, idk, 6 months minimum. Turkey seems to have more of a grasp on it than I do.

see, i thought 8 months would be the best point to ask for the promised raise, but literally everyone (folks, friends, coworkers, family) has told me the same thing "3 months for your first raise, then once a year after that"


but yeah, there are things that i know and things that i dont. im still fairly young and i want to do things right. and i always strongly consider the advice of those more experienced than me.

Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2017, 03:11:42 PM

Quote from: H. T. on January 05, 2017, 03:02:36 PM

Quote from: Eli on January 05, 2017, 02:56:18 PM

Quote from: H. T. on January 05, 2017, 02:46:34 PM

Where are you working? 3 months seems really early to ask for a raise, especially if that was a probationary period.

small engine shop

its weird that you say that though. every person i ask about this irl says 3 months for your first raise, and then once a year after that

Maybe if they lowballed your salary when you were hired, sure. I could see asking for a $2-3 raise, but just realize that asking for $20 is almost a 50% increase, and you probably should have negotiated harder if that's what you were making in a similarly skilled job before this one. If you're not getting any benefits you can leverage that too.

What are more senior guys at the shop making?

i am getting benefits, just fyi.

theres only about 5 of us, and i cant imagine my boss is making any more than 30 or 40 an hour. one of the guys whos been here a year, who i am just as skilled as, is making 20. the other guy is making 22.

Hmm, you could probably get away with asking for $20 based on your skill, but expect a counter offer. Skill can be tricky because it sounds like it's still technically "unskilled" work (i.e., no degree or trade school required), and if costs get too high he could just hire someone new to replace you (despite the learning curve and your obvious skill). idk though. You really have to feel the culture of the shop to know; if it sounds like asking for a raise is the norm, definitely go for it.

yeah, im pretty sure im just gunna start by asking them to match what i was making before. if they honour it, i win. if i make 17 off that, i win.

if they give me 15 or 16 ill be pretty pissed though.

If a raise was discussed during the hiring process, after a probational period, then three months is plenty of time. Most of this should have been ironed out when you were hired though, you want to get it in writing as well.

As it stands it doesn't sound like you were given a probation period, unless that's just how it works in Canada.

You shouldn't expect to earn what someone who has been there for a year makes when you've been there three months regardless of skill. There's a pecking order to these things and time spent with the company means a lot.

Granted, every company is different, especially when you're talking about small companies.

Seventeen is a very reasonable request, with another request at a year for the twenty. It's been my experience that asking for more than what you desire is a double edged sword. They may just flat out give you the twenty, but you may also offend them.

It's a tricky situation but if I were you I would ask for seventeen an hour and then ask for your next raise at the end of your first year. The more you learn the more money you can ask for. More responsibilities equals more money.

If a raise was discussed during the hiring process, after a probational period, then three months is plenty of time. Most of this should have been ironed out when you were hired though, you want to get it in writing as well.

As it stands it doesn't sound like you were given a probation period, unless that's just how it works in Canada.

yeah, i was a pretty impromptu hire. and i also put quotations around probation for a reason.

You shouldn't expect to earn what someone who has been there for a year makes when you've been there three months regardless of skill. There's a pecking order to these things and time spent with the company means a lot.

eh, theres more to why i expect a similar pay but i wont get into it. obviously if everything between the two of us was the same sans time spent with company itd be different.

>Salary Negotiation

One more reason to avoid the US like the plague

>Salary Negotiation

One more reason to avoid the US like the plague

Where do you live fucking China?

i live in canada you mong

US lite