How Is Verbatim A Vegan?

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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
>Kill all humans
How do you expect that to be taken?
"Antinatalism is a philosophical position that assigns a negative value to birth, standing in opposition to natalism. It has been advanced by figures such as Arthur Schopenhauer, Emil Cioran, Peter Wessel Zapffe and David Benatar."

Where do you get "kill all humans" out of this?
From the example that was posed. Try reading more into what the response is to before quoting wikipedia.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Congrats, you beat them, choosing #3. Albeit not physically eradicating them to mushy pulp, much to Psy's discontent, you went into conflict and beat your enemy.
I thought you meant physically.

Knowing that, are you going to answer the question, now?

Does might make right?
And if it doesn't make right, what right do YOU have in supporting the meat & dairy industry?
Define right.


 
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Congrats, you beat them, choosing #3. Albeit not physically eradicating them to mushy pulp, much to Psy's discontent, you went into conflict and beat your enemy.
I thought you meant physically.

Knowing that, are you going to answer the question, now?

Does might make right?
And if it doesn't make right, what right do YOU have in supporting the meat & dairy industry?
Define right.
Well, I used it in two ways.

"Might doesn't make right."
"Right" meaning ethical.

"What right do you have to support the meat & dairy industry?"
Based on the fact that physical strength doesn't give you moral priority, what logical rationale is there to support the meat & dairy industry?
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From the example that was posed. Try reading more into what the response is to before quoting wikipedia.
I read the example he posed.

He isn't proposing that we kill anyone.

He proposed forced sterilizations--not necessarily something I agree with--but that's still nowhere near murder.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Congrats, you beat them, choosing #3. Albeit not physically eradicating them to mushy pulp, much to Psy's discontent, you went into conflict and beat your enemy.
I thought you meant physically.

Knowing that, are you going to answer the question, now?

Does might make right?
And if it doesn't make right, what right do YOU have in supporting the meat & dairy industry?
Define right.
Well, I used it in two ways.

"Might doesn't make right."
"Right" meaning ethical.

"What right do you have to support the meat & dairy industry?"
Based on the fact that physical strength doesn't give you moral priority, what logical rationale is there to support the meat & dairy industry?
I'd ask you to define your own version of ethical, but I can already tell that I disagree wholly and don't see what you think is going to happen from this.

I find it within the realm of ethically/morally acceptable to kill other animals for products when following certain standards.

What is right to one person may be different to another, at this base level, whoever succeeds and beats their rivals is right in society. At a more complicated theoretical level, right might be objective, but people are not anywhere close to finding such a conclusive answer today.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
From the example that was posed. Try reading more into what the response is to before quoting wikipedia.
I read the example he posed.

He isn't proposing that we kill anyone.

He proposed forced sterilizations--not necessarily something I agree with--but that's still nowhere near murder.
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Extinction is killing off a species, that is what you're doing. Ensuring the species as a whole dies without consent.



 
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I find it within the realm of ethically/morally acceptable to kill other animals for products when following certain standards.

What is right to one person may be different to another, at this base level, whoever succeeds and beats their rivals is right in society. At a more complicated theoretical level, right might be objective, but people are not anywhere close to finding such a conclusive answer today.
I wager I'm closer than you are.

Extinction is killing off a species, that is what you're doing. Ensuring the species as a whole dies without consent.
Wrong. Extinction is when the last member of a species dies. Doesn't have to be killed. Species can die out on their own without being hunted by a predator species. It happens. And that's what should happen with us.

Trying to brand people who don't have kids as murderers is a pretty lame smear tactic.

And again--with the consent thing, I don't think forced sterilizations would be the most ethical way of going about it.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I find it within the realm of ethically/morally acceptable to kill other animals for products when following certain standards.

What is right to one person may be different to another, at this base level, whoever succeeds and beats their rivals is right in society. At a more complicated theoretical level, right might be objective, but people are not anywhere close to finding such a conclusive answer today.
I wager I'm closer than you are.
That's real nice hon.

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Extinction is killing off a species, that is what you're doing. Ensuring the species as a whole dies without consent.
Wrong. Extinction is when the last member of a species dies. Doesn't have to be killed. Species can die out on their own without being hunted by a predator species. It happens. And that's what should happen with us.

Trying to brand people who don't have kids as murderers is a pretty lame smear tactic.

And again--with the consent thing, I don't think forced sterilizations would be the most ethical way of going about it.
By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.

I'm not doing that.

Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?


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Verby

Serious thought, so don't call me a retard

If life is just gonna keep being rather cruel for animals and such if humanity hypothetically forced itself to go extinct

Would it not be more productive in an anti-natalists mentality to make contributions towards technology, weaponry, and science so that, in the future, humans can just create a weapon that destroys all life on the planet?


 
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That's real nice hon.
WAY closer.

By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.
You'd be responsible for their extinction.

But you didn't kill any of them.
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Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?
Because there's nothing actually wrong with what he's saying--I'd just prefer a different method.


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Only Das can call him Verby. He'll cut your nuts off bro, i know from experience.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
That's real nice hon.
WAY closer.
Can't ever stop stroking that ego about how right you always are, eh?

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By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.
You'd be responsible for their extinction.

But you didn't kill any of them.
Yep, nothing wrong.
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Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?
Because there's nothing actually wrong with what he's saying--I'd just prefer a different method.
This was primarily about the method.


 
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Verby

Serious thought, so don't call me a retard

If life is just gonna keep being rather cruel for animals and such if humanity hypothetically forced itself to go extinct

Would it not be more productive in an anti-natalists mentality to make contributions towards technology, weaponry, and science so that, in the future, humans can just create a weapon that destroys all life on the planet?
Yeah, perhaps.

I don't have any other ideas with how to take care of the animals, really. In Half-Life 2, the Combine plants a "suppressor" field on Earth, or something, that basically makes all life on the planet sterile (which is why children are nowhere to be found in the game). Or maybe it was just humans, I dunno.

That sounds like a more dignified way of doing it, if you ask me. If you applied it to all life.


 
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But you just said nobody can look objectively at their life?

I obviously wasn't being literal. In the same way that I could say "People are idiots", without obviously meaning everyone is an idiot.

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>Kill all humans
How do you expect that to be taken?

No one is proposing killing. You're either an idiot or aren't offering the philosophy the intellectual consideration it deserves.
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
>giving anti-natalism intellectual consideration and respect

As a staunch believer in Anthropocentrism I find this laughable.


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STEAK, LIARA

I THINK ABOUT WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH STEAK

I FUCKING LOVE STEAK


 
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>giving anti-natalism intellectual consideration and respect

As a staunch believer in Anthropocentrism I find this laughable.

Well, I'm not trying to convince you so I don't really care.


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I tried to go vegan fairly recently by starting off as a pescatarian but my endeavor crashed harder than the rock that made the chicxulub crater.
Why?

I went "vegan" during the summer, but realized that the stuff I was eating had eggs. I realized that eggs aren't really murder, but still an animal product, so I got down to chicken and milk (cow). It went well, and I did it for 3 months, but I went back to eating meat because eating special food is more expensive. I had decided to stop at the end of summer break before, so I guess it went well.

Verbatim was the one who brought up some arguments that made me realize that eating meat isn't the logical thing to do. What made you try going vegan?


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>tfw no bug protein bars yet


 
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>tfw no bug protein bars yet

>tfw they don't tell you about all the bugs that end up in food
>Bug protein bars probably secretly exist already.webm


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>tfw no bug protein bars yet

>tfw they don't tell you about all the bugs that end up in food
>Bug protein bars probably secretly exist already.webm
Yeah, but read this.

>tfw some chicken in our bug bars
>chicken bars probably exist

Imagine that you want 100% chicken bars. Knowing that there's some chicken in there, and that chicken bars probably exist isn't really that comforting as chicken bars on the main market itself.


 
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STEAK, LIARA

I THINK ABOUT WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH STEAK

I FUCKING LOVE STEAK
Mass Effect sucks.


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Meat is healthy and there is literally nothing morally wrong with killing other animals for food


 
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Meat is healthy and there is literally nothing morally wrong with killing other animals for food
Then there'd be nothing wrong with killing you for food, right?


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
I'd kill inglorious for food.


 
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I wouldn't be opposed to it.


 
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Your religion will never grow and is completely irrelevant. I suggest you guys drop the subject.
I suggest you stop calling it a religion. There is no god, there is no dogma. There is no divinity, there is no spirituality, and nothing is sacred. Part of efilism (larger branch of anti-natalism that extends it to all life) is the destruction of all religion, because religion gives people a false sense of purpose.

The purpose of anti-natalism is that there is no purpose--and purposelessness has a consequence:
Billions of years of suffering for all sentient life.

It's not a religion, it's a philosophy--if you don't want to talk about it, then YOU get the fuck out of the discussion.


 
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You praise death like people praise god. It's more like Buddhism though, but not really.
No I don't.

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Take a look at Eliab. He's like one of these white Europeans that just converted to Islam with you being the imam. He follows your every word and almost reveres you. It's creepy.
Okay. He doesn't, but okay.

There's still no dogma. Do you know what a "dogma" is?

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This gives you a huge sense of purpose. You consider it your duty to spread the word and convert everybody.
That doesn't make it a religion. It makes it an idea worth spreading. By your logic, veganism is a religion, feminism is a religion... anti-rape is a religion, anti-theft is a religion... school teachers are probably some of the most proselytizing motherfuckers on the planet, trying to convert everyone into "good math skills," the crazy fucks. Yeah, everything is a religion--all you have to do is take an idea, agree with it, and talk about it with other people. Which would also make atheism a religion, too. Of course.

That's all it takes to be a religion.

Thanks challengerX!

You're a fucking dumbass, you know that? Like, a really, really big dumbass.
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It's something that may have been a philosophy at one point in time, but has taken role of religion in the absence of one on the lives of depressed young individuals such as yourself.
It's not a religion.
Last Edit: December 09, 2015, 11:34:06 AM by Verbatim