Quote from: Essessen on December 08, 2015, 08:18:58 PM

Congrats, you beat them, choosing #3. Albeit not physically eradicating them to mushy pulp, much to Psy's discontent, you went into conflict and beat your enemy.

I thought you meant physically.

Knowing that, are you going to answer the question, now?

Does might make right?
And if it doesn't make right, what right do YOU have in supporting the meat & dairy industry?

Define right.

From the example that was posed. Try reading more into what the response is to before quoting wikipedia.

I read the example he posed.

He isn't proposing that we kill anyone.

He proposed forced sterilizations--not necessarily something I agree with--but that's still nowhere near murder.

Quote from: Essessen on December 08, 2015, 11:24:03 PM

From the example that was posed. Try reading more into what the response is to before quoting wikipedia.

I read the example he posed.

He isn't proposing that we kill anyone.

He proposed forced sterilizations--not necessarily something I agree with--but that's still nowhere near murder.

Extinction is killing off a species, that is what you're doing. Ensuring the species as a whole dies without consent.

Quote from: Essessen on December 08, 2015, 11:41:33 PM

I find it within the realm of ethically/morally acceptable to kill other animals for products when following certain standards.

What is right to one person may be different to another, at this base level, whoever succeeds and beats their rivals is right in society. At a more complicated theoretical level, right might be objective, but people are not anywhere close to finding such a conclusive answer today.

I wager I'm closer than you are.

That's real nice hon.

Quote from: Essessen on December 08, 2015, 11:42:41 PM

Extinction is killing off a species, that is what you're doing. Ensuring the species as a whole dies without consent.

Wrong. Extinction is when the last member of a species dies. Doesn't have to be killed. Species can die out on their own without being hunted by a predator species. It happens. And that's what should happen with us.

Trying to brand people who don't have kids as murderers is a pretty lame smear tactic.

And again--with the consent thing, I don't think forced sterilizations would be the most ethical way of going about it.

By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.

I'm not doing that.

Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?

That's real nice hon.

WAY closer.

By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.

You'd be responsible for their extinction.

But you didn't kill any of them.

Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?

Because there's nothing actually wrong with what he's saying--I'd just prefer a different method.

Quote from: Essessen on December 09, 2015, 12:07:15 AM

That's real nice hon.

WAY closer.

Can't ever stop stroking that ego about how right you always are, eh?

Quote from: Essessen on December 08, 2015, 11:42:41 PM

By that logic if I castrated every Tiger in the world, I wouldn't be responsible for killing off the species and would've done nothing wrong. WWF can't do shit.

You'd be responsible for their extinction.

But you didn't kill any of them.

Yep, nothing wrong.

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Then why in he hell are you arguing in support of him when that's specifically what I was referring to when talking with him?

Because there's nothing actually wrong with what he's saying--I'd just prefer a different method.

This was primarily about the method.

But you just said nobody can look objectively at their life?

I obviously wasn't being literal. In the same way that I could say "People are idiots", without obviously meaning everyone is an idiot.

>Kill all humans
How do you expect that to be taken?

No one is proposing killing. You're either an idiot or aren't offering the philosophy the intellectual consideration it deserves.

STEAK, LIARA

I THINK ABOUT WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH STEAK

I FUCKING LOVE STEAK

I tried to go vegan fairly recently by starting off as a pescatarian but my endeavor crashed harder than the rock that made the chicxulub crater.

Why?

I went "vegan" during the summer, but realized that the stuff I was eating had eggs. I realized that eggs aren't really murder, but still an animal product, so I got down to chicken and milk (cow). It went well, and I did it for 3 months, but I went back to eating meat because eating special food is more expensive. I had decided to stop at the end of summer break before, so I guess it went well.

Verbatim was the one who brought up some arguments that made me realize that eating meat isn't the logical thing to do. What made you try going vegan?

>tfw no bug protein bars yet

>tfw they don't tell you about all the bugs that end up in food
>Bug protein bars probably secretly exist already.webm

STEAK, LIARA

I THINK ABOUT WHEN THERE'S SO MUCH STEAK

I FUCKING LOVE STEAK

Mass Effect sucks.

Meat is healthy and there is literally nothing morally wrong with killing other animals for food

Then there'd be nothing wrong with killing you for food, right?

I wouldn't be opposed to it.

Your religion will never grow and is completely irrelevant. I suggest you guys drop the subject.

I suggest you stop calling it a religion. There is no god, there is no dogma. There is no divinity, there is no spirituality, and nothing is sacred. Part of efilism (larger branch of anti-natalism that extends it to all life) is the destruction of all religion, because religion gives people a false sense of purpose.

The purpose of anti-natalism is that there is no purpose--and purposelessness has a consequence:
Billions of years of suffering for all sentient life.

It's not a religion, it's a philosophy--if you don't want to talk about it, then YOU get the fuck out of the discussion.

You praise death like people praise god. It's more like Buddhism though, but not really.

No I don't.

Take a look at Eliab. He's like one of these white Europeans that just converted to Islam with you being the imam. He follows your every word and almost reveres you. It's creepy.

Okay. He doesn't, but okay.

There's still no dogma. Do you know what a "dogma" is?

This gives you a huge sense of purpose. You consider it your duty to spread the word and convert everybody.

That doesn't make it a religion. It makes it an idea worth spreading. By your logic, veganism is a religion, feminism is a religion... anti-rape is a religion, anti-theft is a religion... school teachers are probably some of the most proselytizing motherfuckers on the planet, trying to convert everyone into "good math skills," the crazy fucks. Yeah, everything is a religion--all you have to do is take an idea, agree with it, and talk about it with other people. Which would also make atheism a religion, too. Of course.

That's all it takes to be a religion.

Thanks challengerX!

You're a fucking dumbass, you know that? Like, a really, really big dumbass.

It's something that may have been a philosophy at one point in time, but has taken role of religion in the absence of one on the lives of depressed young individuals such as yourself.

It's not a religion.