I don't like Trump or Biden so I wasn't going to vote but thinking about it more, I might vote for Trump just so we don't get Biden

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I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population, so I'm obligated to vote for whoever prevents him from being president. Bear in mind, I still think Trump's going to win this election, but that just goes to show how stupid people in this country are.

He's a stupid man, with stupid followers, and has no comprehension of the consequences of his actions. Biden is the less offensive of the two candidates.

I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately

and speaking as someone who voted third party in the last election and would vote third party again, voting third party in THIS election, just because "two party system bad," is also kind of cringe

there's a bigger problem on our hands right now and it must be expunged immediately

There's always other options, that's why the write-in line exists.

Quote from: Coomer on October 30, 2020, 09:16:38 PM

Quote from: Winy on October 30, 2020, 06:13:36 PM

I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately

I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.

It's not so much changing the institutions I have a problem with. It's changing it to fit your agenda. There's no limiting principle when you go that route

Quote from: Coomer on October 30, 2020, 10:55:41 PM

Quote from: Winy on October 30, 2020, 10:36:54 PM

Quote from: Coomer on October 30, 2020, 09:16:38 PM

Quote from: Winy on October 30, 2020, 06:13:36 PM

I remain unconvinced that Donald Trump's long-term influence on the United States has been (And will be) anything more than intellectual erosion of the population

I think it's the other way around
If the population was anywhere near smart, he wouldn't have risen to prominence in the first place

At least Trump hasn't written into law anything to change the institutions of America. You could argue his presence has been bad for the image but for all his talk, he hasn't changed any fundamental part of the government. I'm more concerned Democrats will try to change the structures of government to meet their agendas especially with the court packing talk lately

I don’t care about “Institutions of America,” there isn’t an ounce of patriotism in my body. Topple the system. The current structure of the United States government intrinsically operates on effective raping of the poor and disadvantaged. Voting for Trump is admitting intellectual deficiency and ethical vacancy. Trump supporters have defunct perspectives foresight or empathy, and I honestly pity them.

It's not so much changing the institutions I have a problem with. It's changing it to fit your agenda. There's no limiting principle when you go that route

What do you think “That route” is?

There are freedoms and rights Americans enjoy no matter who you are like freedom of speech for example. People use freedom of speech to say various things and disagree with what other groups use that freedom for. So much so that they'll try to write into law banning opposing views.

The purpose of American institutions is to protect fundamental rights for all sides to use. When one group tries to change these institutions, it threatens the equal use of rights. I just think Democrats under Biden are more likely to push (and most importantly), succeed in changing American institutions for their gain

Quote from: Coomer on October 31, 2020, 12:00:06 AM

There are freedoms and rights Americans enjoy no matter who you are like freedom of speech for example. People use freedom of speech to say various things and disagree with what other groups use that freedom for. So much so that they'll try to write into law banning opposing views.

The purpose of American institutions is to protect fundamental rights for all sides to use. When one group tries to change these institutions, it threatens the equal use of rights. I just think Democrats under Biden are more likely to push (and most importantly), succeed in changing American institutions for their gain

What is the "Grand plan" of Democrats? Because all I see for the "Grand plan" of Republicans is depriving racial minorities of civil rights, oppressing sexual minorities on account of religious bias, and devaluing the public appreciation of scientific consensus. You are literally a service to continuous stupidity if you vote for a Republican candidate. Trump's entire presidency has hinged on his abuse of the distribution of information. He literally thrives off of your own intellectual incompetence. Neither party actually will properly service humanity, but Republican values are truly pathetic.

You have a right to speak your mind, but there is a greater value in being able to accurately demonstrate a particular viewpoint is just stupid or unethical, and to stop them from spreading their corrosive viewpoints. Freedom of speech has limits, at some point you have to actively make attempts to prevent people from saying things that ultimately harm people- Which is what Trump supporters do.

You can think whatever you want about Republicans. I just think they're less dangerous to the system than Democrats right now

Voting the lesser of two evils is an option select for better policies in the future and it absolutely matters.

Regardless of the individual candidate, conservative leaning parties have a tendency to gut their public sector in favour of tax cuts for major companies (particularly banks and fossil fuel corporations) and hurts the nation long term. The same is true for Australia’s elections.

Third parties will be off the table for a long time as serious candidates to full leadership. but if the USA voting system is at all similar to Australia’s, there’s certainly no harm in voting for preferential 3rd party candidates first before selecting your major party candidate of choice.

Anyway. Point is it’s technically possible to get a future progressive government in power in the long term, rather than having more services, etc. axed by letting your vote ‘not be of consequence.’ That in itself is an uphill battle given Murdoch Media has a near vicegrip on the ballsack of every english speaking country with a two party system, and they come with a distinct conservative bias. That and people actually buy into the bias and are extremely rooted in their ideals, despite it doing them harm. Well, that and being born into a conservative voting family.

Keep in mind Conservative governments (whether it’s the Australian Liberal Party or the Republican party) love to tout a narrative of helping the economy despite it being a blatant falsehood and cash flow actually stagnating under them. What does go up is the red line in the stock market for Rio Tinto and that’s entirely different to ‘the economy’ as a whole.

don't forget that Trump lost the popular vote by over 3 million people last time. All those votes meant jack shit in a state like mine which is guaranteed to go blue because of the electoral college anyway.

be that as it may, i'm not a defeatist, so this fact doesn't really make a difference to me—if anything, it demonstrates that trump's win was a massive fluke, and that he could be easily disposed of if just a few rust belt states turned blue, and specifically the ones with a disparity of less than 1%, of which there were several (MI, WI, PA)

so i'm not calling you out in particular, but the general sentiment, because those sentiments can carry across the country in states where it actually will matter

Trump is obviously considerably worse, but Biden is a pretty shitty fucking choice too. Biden represents a return to the status quo for a lot of people, but things were pretty fucking garbage already pre-Trump. I don't feel any responsibility voting for a candidate that doesn't represent my interests past pushing things back partially to where they used to be.

getting rid of the worst president we've had in our history should directly represent the interests of anybody with their priorities straight

it's really not a vote for biden, it's a vote to get trump the fuck out—i'm almost a single-issue voter on this, because my dislike of biden doesn't justify the risks associated with potentially giving trump another 4 years because i decided that now is the time to be a choosing beggar

you didn't need to write a paragraph shitting on biden, because nobody likes biden—that just doesn't really matter, because the election is, first and foremost, a referendum on the incumbent

if you're starving, but all you have to eat is this bad-tasting and unhealthy junk food, you don't just choose to starve to death just because you'd rather have filet mignon

New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins

New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins

is this some kind of "why do you even care who's president if it doesn't affect you personally" meme, or what

Quote from: Coomer on October 31, 2020, 11:26:44 PM

Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on October 31, 2020, 10:41:30 PM

Quote from: Coomer on October 31, 2020, 06:08:44 PM

New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins

Well I almost joined the National Guard but now I'm banned from joining.

How do you think your life changed because you missed the opportunity?

Well I most likely would've been deployed out to help fight the wildfires and to suppress the protests, so...

I mean do you feel like you missed any opportunities for personal growth or achievement?
Or maybe you found new ones?

Quote from: Coomer on November 01, 2020, 12:52:39 AM

Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on November 01, 2020, 12:38:26 AM

Quote from: Coomer on October 31, 2020, 11:26:44 PM

Quote from: ಠ_ಠ on October 31, 2020, 10:41:30 PM

Quote from: Coomer on October 31, 2020, 06:08:44 PM

New wuestion, what is the worst change in your life in the last four years and what how do you expect it to get better/worse depending on who wins

Well I almost joined the National Guard but now I'm banned from joining.

How do you think your life changed because you missed the opportunity?

Well I most likely would've been deployed out to help fight the wildfires and to suppress the protests, so...

I mean do you feel like you missed any opportunities for personal growth or achievement?
Or maybe you found new ones?

I became quite disillusioned after the ban officially went into effect (and on my birthday too) and my recruiter ghosted me even though I scored high on my ASVAB. I was looking for stability and structure in my life and thought that going reserves and staying local with the NG would give me that. Tried to join the Conservation Corps after the ban but I was a year too old to join. Then I lost both of my jobs to covid. Now I'm at a point where I no longer see a future with any semblance of stability.

Damn I'm sorry that happened to you. Pandemic won't last forever though. Have you given thought to plans for after? Is reenlisting an option?