the problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter what
Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PMthe problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter whatDoes it matter really? I doubt the general populous cares enough to disassociate the two and over time the feelings will blend into a general view of the person anyway. If you require someone to like you for your mind I think you're overthinking how attraction works.
Quote from: TBlocks on February 01, 2018, 05:15:09 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PMthe problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter whatDoes it matter really? I doubt the general populous cares enough to disassociate the two and over time the feelings will blend into a general view of the person anyway. If you require someone to like you for your mind I think you're overthinking how attraction works.uh, yeah, it kinda matters a whole fuck of a lot, actuallyi think you're underthinking how attraction should work>be a good yet unfit and therefore unattractive person>work out>suddenly attractive>be the exact same person you were before, but now girls suddenly care about youyou shouldn't want ANYTHING to do with a girl who is that much of a shallow cunt
it's generally pretty easy to tell what a girl is into you for so i don't think it's that big of a dealsomeone who likes you for you looks, do you really expect that to last
Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PMthe problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter whatidk about anyone else, but for me, the gym is less about looking good, and more about feeling good. if you feel good about yourself, it's easier to be confident, and the rest of your life improves from that. i think there's something to be said about liking how you look, but working out even as an "unfit" person empirically makes you feel better because of the workout high. it's just good for you even if you dont have fitness goals of any kind.unless you're willing to take the argument further... "does she like me for me, or my confidence?" where i think it'd be silly to make the distinction.
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 05:17:05 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PMthe problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter whatidk about anyone else, but for me, the gym is less about looking good, and more about feeling good. if you feel good about yourself, it's easier to be confident, and the rest of your life improves from that. i think there's something to be said about liking how you look, but working out even as an "unfit" person empirically makes you feel better because of the workout high. it's just good for you even if you dont have fitness goals of any kind.unless you're willing to take the argument further... "does she like me for me, or my confidence?" where i think it'd be silly to make the distinction.i kind of get that?but i'd still recommend avoiding any endorphins attained from activities that are otherwise useless or unproductivein other words, there's better ways to do it that are less time-consuming and actually give you something of value at the endunless your job involves lifting heavy shit frequently, being stronger isn't going to do much for you if you're not attracted to dumb shallow bitches
working out wont boost your confidence engaging in social activities will.
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 05:23:39 PMit's generally pretty easy to tell what a girl is into you for so i don't think it's that big of a dealsomeone who likes you for you looks, do you really expect that to lastthat's the problemrelationships that begin based off of physical attraction alone are relationships that should never have begun at allnot only is that just a waste of everybody's time, it's incredibly fucking hurtful when it suddenly dawns on youyou're just an object to them, oh cool awesome that makes me feel great
i mean any relationship that doesnt last is a giant waste of time in that light. its kind of... unavoidable? people are shitty. i wouldnt blame anyone from not "trying" because of that.
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 05:41:37 PMi mean any relationship that doesnt last is a giant waste of time in that light. its kind of... unavoidable? people are shitty. i wouldnt blame anyone from not "trying" because of that.yeah, and that's precisely why i don'tthe point of a relationship is to have it lastif you knew a relationship wouldn't last going into it, would you bother
the "use" in working out is the improved confidence levels which in turn help you function in society. what other activities would you recommend that are equally as beneficial yet you consider to be worthwhile?
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 05:36:07 PMthe "use" in working out is the improved confidence levels which in turn help you function in society. what other activities would you recommend that are equally as beneficial yet you consider to be worthwhile?that's gonna vary from person to person, but for me, it's writing and video gamesany hobby that you enjoy doing, really
because apart from the whole idea that shallow cunts are undesirable, it's also undesirable to assume that a girl would be into you just because you're physically attractive, that's kind of insulting to her, tooit's all fucked up, i don't know why intelligent people bother
the best advice i can give is to not feel as though you have to take anyone's adviceif someone here's telling you to do shit a certain way, but you don't feel in your heart that it's the right thing to do, then absolutely don't do it, even if it's been shown to be successful 99% of the timethat's called being fake, and being fake might get you in a relationship, but it's absolutely not going to make you happy, which is ultimately what i think you want in the endthe thing that a lot of people forget to realize is that life isn't a game, and it's not wise to live it like it is onethere's no prima strategy guide for how to get women, and MOST lasting relationships are based on sheer dumb luck and happenstance alone, two people being in the right place and the right time, saying and doing all the right things to each otherso i say just do whatever the hell you wantif that's not good enough for some girl, then she can go fuck herself
thats all well and good, but none of those provide the objective chemical equivalent to working out, even if you really enjoy them.
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 06:08:43 PMthats all well and good, but none of those provide the objective chemical equivalent to working out, even if you really enjoy them.speaking as someone who spent a lot of time working out a couple years ago, and gained absolutely nothing from it, i do not want an objective chemical equivalenti want the activity itself to be more worthwhileyou're comparing the faux-happiness achieved from performing an otherwise worthless activity to the genuine happiness achieved from performing activities that i personally consider more valuableif jono is the type of person who likes feeling confident for no logical reason, i have nothing more to say to himedit:have you ever just submitted an incomplete post
do you consider working out to be worthless if someone was trying to improve their health
Quote from: Snake on February 01, 2018, 06:29:37 PMdo you consider working out to be worthless if someone was trying to improve their healthnot worthless, but i would use the word futile insteadin general, if it's not one thing, it's anotherthere are afflictions associated with lack of fitness, and there are afflictions associated with being fityou're doomed either way, so it's simply a matter of picking your poison, and whatever poison you pick is none of my business
Quote from: Luciana on February 01, 2018, 04:50:09 PMOn top of all of that and to your point about the first 2 points just being good things to develop in the first place, learning to listen is another great tool for general use. Paraphrasing is a good way to do this. Asking questions is another great way to get anyone talking. An interesting sort of thing is that people love talking about themselves. So asking questions (without sounding like you're interrogating them of course) is a great way to keep up conversation. "How was work today?" "Oh that's good / bad, that must've felt pretty ________. What did you say to them?" stuff like that. An advantage to this is that if she starts asking questions about you and stuff you're doing it's a decent indicator she might be interested.Also just in general listening is a pretty good habit to acquire.
Quote from: gats on February 01, 2018, 05:32:26 PMworking out wont boost your confidence engaging in social activities will.how would you know you dont do either
Quote from: Verbatim on February 01, 2018, 05:10:08 PMthe problem with working out is that you will never know if a girl likes you for you, or for your bodyso i'd find that plan viscerally unappealing no matter whatYou should be able to spot a girl like that from a mile away.
What the hell? You should always be in shape and ready for anything, you never know what situation you might find yourself in. Personally I think the education system should encourage this and teach you survival skills.
How do I boost my confidence
