Full sensory virtual reality in a form similar to what we see in the matrix where our bodies are completely immobile and all our senses feel is a virtual nervous system in a virtual body in a virtual world. So, for example, a user would be lying in his bed with the full sensory VR deviace and as far as he can tell, he's not in his bed but rather is on Mt. Everest figthing a bear. This form of VR is a concept that has been present in media for many years and has been the basis of much of our fiction entertainment. If it were real, shit'd be crazy, yo. Let's discuss. For the convenience of this thread, I will refer to Full Sensory Virtuals Reality as FSVR.

          So let's jump into a hypothetical situation where in the next several years FSVR becomes a reality. Not only would it be a reality, but it is also plug and play. No medical procedures or bodily modifications needed in order to use it (So that means no big-ass spikes in the back of our head like in the Matrix). It is mass-produced, portable, affordable, online and accesible from home. There are no negative side effects on the user aside from what would be expected from extended periods of immobility caused by over-use. The virtual sensations and environments are vivid and realistic to the point of being borderline indistinguishable from reality but still safely detectable to those in virtual space. The games/programs come out in a timely manner comparable to the AAA game development timeframes we see today. FSVR is essentially, everything that you ever wanted it to be. Sword Art Online fanboys rejoice. Now we go into the implications of FSVR and the social and economic deveolopments in the years that would follow.

          FSVR would be very beneficial to this field. Geographic limitations would no longer exists. What courses your local community college does and does not offer would not matter. You would be able to take any class remotely in a virtual and customizable learning environment. You could learn how to do anything from home. Some would say you could learn the same things online with a laptop. This is not entirely true. Those classes that require physical involvement and training cannot be done on a laptop. While learning physical skills using FSVR might not be as good as real thing because of the lack of actual muscle memory/physical training, it would still be the next best thing for those who do not have access to or cannot afford such a class in reality. In general, any course that requires phyical involvment would be more accesible if a virtual option is given. Also, if you're just being lectured by a proffesor, it be nice to be spared your daily commute and be able to learn remotely in an environment customizable to you. So yes, you can take your philosiphy class in ancient Greece. Loser

• Take classes virtually from home
• Customizable educational environment (ie. lectures in space!)
• No geographic restriction on classes(ie. winter survival course in the desert)
  
• Save the tress with virtual textbooks, baby
• Bullying? I think not.
• Will add more as they are suggested

• I can't think of anything
• Can you? Will add if you do.

          The good would most definitely extend to the job markets as well. I probably wouldn't be to crazy to assume companies and corporations would use FSVR as an asset as well. to train employess on their equipment before being put on them in reality. This would save time and money. Plenty of blue collar jobs that would actually require manual labor would be unaffected, but just the same, a great many cubicle jobs where paper is pushed and data is inputed and managed would suddeny become FSVR exclusive. Why pay for the building and office equipment when your employees can type away in a virtual cubicle and office building. Yay! Sure the nice old hispanic cleaning lady would be out of a job because all the employees now work in virtual space, but hey, virtual water coolers are worth it.

• Virtual customizable workplace for zombie cubicle jobs
• Cheaper and less risky virtual training on equipment in blue collar jobs
• Will add more as they are suggested

• Less construction as buildings and infrastructure are needed less for paper and button pushing jobs
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          Of course, a large portion of the benefits of FSVR would go to gaming. Gaming would be some serious next level shit. Like fuck yeah let's go drive on a Hot Wheels track and have inner-childgasms(goawayFBI). Open world, sci-fi and fantasy game would be so amazing I just can't even. Not horror though. Fuck that noise. Anyone who would play horror, especially supernatural horror, on FSVR is a masochist. As far as modern combat/ war simulators go, it wouldn't be too far fetched to think the government might impose somekind of regulation on them. Their reasons being, "Terrorists would use them to train!". While this very well may be true. It still would be nice is their were no regulation so we can have as much fun as we please. Even so, the point does seem to be valid. If someone were train extensively with a weapon in FSVR, they would obtain comprehensive mental training, but how would that transalte into msucle memory if the muscles weren't trained? Would the mental knowledge streamline the muscle memory training, making it easier? There are a great many unanswered questions and implications when it comes to a virtual nervious system.

• Muh Open World
• Muh Sci-fi
• Muh Fantasy
• Role Play to the max. (ie. You be Batman, I be Joker. Try and stop me from setting off a dirty bomb in Gotham)
  
• Virtually everything gaming

• Horror games. Fuck no.
• Super Natural Horror games. Hell fucking no
• Possible regulation on war simulators/modern combat games due to terrorism worries
• Furries and the abominations they could come up with

          This is where things start to get weird. I don't know how far we'd be able to go with a virtual nervous system in a virtual body. Say If I were a dwarf/midget and wanted to be 6'7 purple-skinned woman, would that be something I could do and be able to feel? Let's just say yes. If that is the case, the implications would be massive. If we are able to virtually feel a body of the opposite sex with different organs, how far would we be able to stray from a virtual human physique? Would we be able virtually embody an animal and feel what they would feel? What kind of havoc would this wreak upon out minds? If things went this far, people could essentally be whatever they wanted and socializing in reality would be drastically reduced. People would be able to do what they wanted in a virtual environment with no real world danger or consequences while feeling as good if not better than they would in reality. The streets would be deserted. Virtual bars and restuarants and other social hubs with entirely fantastic settings would be prefered to reality.

• Be what you want to be, social prejudices be damned
• All the fun with none of the danger. Woohoo!
• Furries and otakus rejoice
• Will add more as they are suggested

• Uknown sideeffects of overuse with a body drastically different from our own
• Possible acceleration of social degeneracy due to lack of real world danger and consequence
• Furries and Otakus rejoice
• Will add more as they are suggested

          Oh yes. This is where thing get real fucky. Pun intended. Porn and sex would be taken to a whole new level with this kind of technology. Really, I see almost no good to this. If there was no regulation the degeneracy would be on a level of filth that I cannot even describe. While at first, I'm sure things would be pretty vanilla(Basic virtual fucking and whatnot). I'm sure things would become exceedingly distasteful. If no laws regarding what could and couldn't be created, everything would be indulged. Bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, and much more would become widespread. The thought of what could happen, even with some legislation, makes me sick to my stomach. This implication alone of FSVR almost make it seem not work all the other benefits. The only good I see coming out of it is that over-population would likely be slowed as people may begin to prefer virtual sex as a safe alternative to the real thing. With the previously mentioned nervous system implication in the social life section, virtual sex may very much feel better than the real thing.

• Safer alternative to real sex
• Less babies=less overpopulation
• Pleasure for the sexually impaired(ie. microdicks)

• Sexual degeneracy to an unspeakable extent
• Pedophilia
• Necrophilia
• Bestiality
• Basically Everything

          I think it's a given that the military would use this technology the most. They'd save billion a year by training troops with equipment with FSVR. Real world PT would still be necessary, but training with equipment and vehicles virtually would save absurd amounts of money on ammunition, fuel, and maintanence each year. While all this is fine and dandy, the Military may very well go to far and people might protest the virtual scenarios that they might train troops with. They could desensatize them to certain senses and emotions using this technology, which could be very dangerous. As far as intelligence agencies go, the possibilities of virtual torture are terrifying. In places like Guantanimo where priosners and captives could be involunatirly forced into whatever virtual environments their captors please, the things that could be done are nightmare worthy. I'll let you form your own conclusions as to what could be done in this case. Would FSVR be used in the prison system? I don't know. It would certainly solve a lot of problems but at the same time it may also cause quite a few also.

• Miltary saves literal boat loads of money
• Use in prisons to rehabilitate inmates, reduce prison violence and gang activity

• Inconceivable torture and interrogation possibilities
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          What I have listed so far are the thoughts I've had on the subject and all the implications I can think of. Of course, there are plenty more which I'm sure plenty of you will think of. I'll be happy to hear what you all have to think of the concept. Who knows? Maybe this kind of technology exists already. I think it's alreadya given that the government is in possesion of and is developing technologically that is at least several decades more advanced than the public sector. Some believe they are even more advanced than that. If there is an occult group of people runnig the world who horde this technology and whos objectives are to morally degenerate and reduce the population, FSVR would certainly contribute to such a cause, and they very well may release it to the world. Anyway here are some more thoughts that occured to me regarding the subject. Also, please forgive my shit grammar. What do you all think of the concept of FSVR and the implications it would have on modern society?

• Incredible therapeutic applications.
• Movies would be completely changed.
• Space exploration may die because people would opt to explore virtual space instead.[/l]
  
  • Large amounts of people would die of starvations and dehydration and overall neglect of their own bodies in preference of the virtual life.
  • Services keeping people alive through IV and machines while they spend extensive periods of time in FSVR would likely arise.
  • FSVR slums could very easily become a reality.
  • Sublimnal messaging, predictive programming and desensitization to certain stimuli would be much more intense. You can only be brainwashed so much by looing at a screen for several hours a day, but full access to all of your senses? That would make for some scary possibilities.
  • I just realized that FSVR commercials might actually become a thing. That'd be terrible. Just imagine being in the middle of something and than you are suddenly thrown into a full sensory commercial for some random product, and have to feel whatever is programmed into the commercial. "No I don't want your fucking lotion! Stop rubbing it all over me!"
  • Haha virtual scandals incolving politicians. That be funny. People would want to know what kind of bad things their congressmen are doing in VR.
  • Also, if someone wants to commit virtual crime, would there be legislation against that? Would we rather have people commiting degenerate acts in VR that would be illegal in reality with no consequence, giving them an outlet that doesn't hurt anyone? Or would we rather have these things done less, albeit in reality and causing real harm, but sparing the access to moral degeneracy from the general population? With regulation, could we really outlaw what people could feel virtually, regardless of how morally objectionable it might be? Can a sensation crime really be such a thing?

There are absolutely no cons of FSVR whatsoever as you described it, and I'd say it's imperative that we achieve this technology as fast as possible, because it would change everything for the better. It may even just solve the problem of anti-natalism, which is why I'm personally such a huge shill for it.

All the cons you listed for each category aren't really cons at all, even sexual degeneracy.

Why not sexual degeneracy? Not disagreeing, just want to hear your explanation.

Cons: weebs get waifus

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There are absolutely no cons of FSVR whatsoever as you described it, and I'd say it's imperative that we achieve this technology as fast as possible, because it would change everything for the better. It may even just solve the problem of anti-natalism, which is why I'm personally such a huge shill for it.

All the cons you listed for each category aren't really cons at all, even sexual degeneracy.

Why not sexual degeneracy? Not disagreeing, just want to hear your explanation.

It's pretty simple. People would finally be able to live out their sick taboo fantasies on a near-facsimile basis, without anybody getting hurt or abused or pregnant or anything. The social stigma will perhaps forever be an issue for them, though.

No one likes the thought of pedophiles being able to have sex with children, but if it's just a virtual simulation, what exactly is the harm, other than that the rest of us find it repugnant? If anything, simulations like this will give pedophiles and other sick people an outlet to deter them from actually abusing children.

Maybe for games/programs with some of the less desireable sexual fantasies that are illegal in reality, there'd be a registry. That way youd have to register if you want to register if you want to play Kindergarten Streakfest 4, Vets Gone Wild or Morgue Molestor. That'd certainly be quite the deterrent.

There is just no discussuion value on this damn site.

Virtual Reality is gay

Virtual Reality is gay

Hey man, whatever you do in VR is your business. Gay or not. But I'm sure it's probably going to be gay.

Is there no one else on this furm who disagrees with my conclusions about full sensory virtual reality?

Quote from: Chakas on July 03, 2017, 04:19:14 PM

Is there no one else on this furm who disagrees with my conclusions about full sensory virtual reality?

I disagree

On what points?

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Quote from: Dark Lotus on July 03, 2017, 06:59:51 PM

Quote from: Chakas on July 03, 2017, 04:19:14 PM

Is there no one else on this furm who disagrees with my conclusions about full sensory virtual reality?

I disagree

On what points?

Every. Single. One.

Care to elaborate? I like discussion.

Quote from: Chakas on July 04, 2017, 09:03:35 AM

Quote from: Dark Lotus on July 04, 2017, 12:34:24 AM

Quote from: Chakas on July 03, 2017, 10:39:55 PM

Quote from: Dark Lotus on July 03, 2017, 06:59:51 PM

Quote from: Chakas on July 03, 2017, 04:19:14 PM

Is there no one else on this furm who disagrees with my conclusions about full sensory virtual reality?

I disagree

On what points?

Every. Single. One.

Care to elaborate? I like discussion.

Well first off, I don't think virtual spaces for work would be a thing. The money required to implement this technology alone is insane. Would the company provide the VR beds or would you have to provide them yourself? In the case of the latter, you know have a huge problem with entering the workforce that is against many laws we have in place to allow easy access to jobs, right to work and so on. Not to mention there's nothing that can be done virtually that can't be done with a computer that's connected over the internet to the company's servers. It just doesn't make sense.

The sexual degeneracy bit is a bit overblown as well. I think it would be a huge boon to allow pedophiles and rapists to act out their fantasies in the virtual world as opposed to negatively impacting real world people. Pedophiles can't help how they feel, a great many of them don't act I their feelings because they know it's fucked up, but if they can live out these fantasies in a safe place who are they hurting? The argument could be made that this will lead to real world consequences in that it encourages this behavior, but I don't think people would risk the jail time when there is an alternative that has zero consequences. As for the other sexually deviant acts that are discouraged, who is there to judge? If the VR world is private and no one can see what you're doing what's the harm in acting out your sexual desires? I think the consequences would be the same as with viewing porn. Overuse would be an issue and can make social interaction a think of the past, but in many ways we are already there with the internet.

I didn't really have anything other than that. I think education would be accelerated by leaps and bounds, I also think it would get kids you want to learn and I see no downside. A virtual classroom would be fucking sick, especially if you consider the sciences like marine biology. How dope would it be to be able to visit an aquarium with your class when learning about sharks?

Another area impacted sharply would be tourism. I think this technology would serve to essentially kill tourism if we're not careful. Regulations on real world locations would have to be in place in order for people to want to leave home and actually experience them for themselves. Otherwise, what's the point of leaving the country, or your home state, at a big cost financially and big risk to your health for something you can experience at home?


I'm not sold on the idea myself. I think it would cause a lot of unforseen problems and would change life as we know it.

I can't really disagree with anything you've said so far except the cost to implement such technology. In the hypothetical situation I described, FSVR would be affordable to the average joe. Commercially and recreationally availible on a mass-produced scale. As far as what form FSVR would take, whether it be VR beds, or some kind of head rig or some other contraption, there's not really much to be said there since we really don't know what it kind of mechanism it would be. When it comes to sexual degeneracy, I don't think that the option of a safe outlet for sexual deviation is the problem. I think it would be the ease of access to, what once were harmful sexual taboos but are now virtually harmless and easily experiencable, that would the sexual degeneracy. Also, you are right. Tourism would be dead. Amusement parks would be dead. There might be massive efforts by coroporation like Disney to prevent such technology from entering the market. Disney World would be deserted. On the other hand, it might actually be a massive money making opportunity for them. Who knows. The implications are massive and uknowable. The world would be changed just like you said.