Quote from: I_IRONMAN_I on July 25, 2015, 02:45:38 AMI don't find eating meat immoral. It's the brutal methods of slaughtering animals to obtain that meat that I find immoral. I would prefer that the livestock be humanely killed. Not a hackjob style.And how would you "humanely" kill an animal?The only way I would ever consume meat (I probably wouldn't anyways, as I don't like it all that much) is if the animal was euthanised. It's painless, and IMO moral because if I was offered that opportunity (to die painlessly), I would take it.I'm more interested in dairy than anything else. That shit is in everything.
I don't find eating meat immoral. It's the brutal methods of slaughtering animals to obtain that meat that I find immoral. I would prefer that the livestock be humanely killed. Not a hackjob style.
Quote from: I_IRONMAN_I on July 25, 2015, 02:45:38 AMhumanely killedi'd rather them not be killed at allat least, not for the purposes of satiating my petty desires
humanely killed
Euthanized I mean. It'd have to be quick and relatively painless.
Quote from: I_IRONMAN_I on July 25, 2015, 02:55:52 AMEuthanized I mean. It'd have to be quick and relatively painless.Well, the only way I see that happening is by the shot they give dogs and shit. And literally no one does that. It's extremely expensive.
It's not petty if the desire keeps your body running at 100%. Protein is essential to the body, and there's a lot of that in meat.
Well how did this happen
Probably because some of the more argumentative users are offline, but oh well.
Quote from: Prehisnake on July 25, 2015, 03:10:22 AMProbably because some of the more argumentative users are offline, but oh well.oh, yeahexpect this to turn into a fullblown shitstorm by noon
I'm sad that Pendulate didn't comment. He's a cool dude, would have been nice to see his perspective on... any of the many topics we've covered.
Quote from: Prehisnake on July 25, 2015, 03:52:51 AMI'm sad that Pendulate didn't comment. He's a cool dude, would have been nice to see his perspective on... any of the many topics we've covered.I only skimmed the thread. If you listed said topics I'll happily offer my views... this site has been woefully lacking in discussion value of late.
Sure, a pessimistic outlook is generally a more rational one. But let's just enjoy things every once in a while, shall we
Concerning your query about eggs, I'd argue that laying hens have it the worst of all.
I don't think the argument that "killing is wrong" has a great deal of merit.
I'm more concerned with the suffering inflicted on animals, coupled with the fact that large-scale, capitalist animal agriculture is -- and always will be -- ethically unmanageable. Which means that buying "humane" animal stuffs is still unethical because you're supporting a conglomerate that can't exist without animal suffering.
I don't think that pessimism implies a dismissal of the good things in life. Only that they are overwhelmingly outweighed by the bad.I, like any other admitted pessimist, enjoy quite a few things.
Care to elaborate? It's an imposition on another sentient creature.
How so? An imposition, by definition, negatively impacts the subject.
I haven't heard any compelling arguments as to how death can be a negative impact in this way.
It doesn't have to negatively impact the subject to be considered an imposition.
Well, dying can be painful (negative). I don't see death (see, non-existence) to be a negative thing at all. But that doesn't mean we get to impose it on others. The end doesn't justify the means.