Quote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AM

Yay! Logic

Careful, Noel might call you an idiot.

I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.

Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighbor

Sure sure, assholes exist in every field. I'm just not one for hate speech.

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 09:03:50 AM

Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:53:11 AM

Quote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AM

Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AM

Yay! Logic

Careful, Noel might call you an idiot.

I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.

Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighbor

Sure sure, assholes exist in every field. I'm just not one for hate speech.

What do you mean by that last part?

Noel was, seriously, portraying all cops as assholes in this thread.

No because there are more unicycles than police officers outside the cities and main roads here in England, last time I saw an officer on foot here was about 2008/2009, last time I saw a cop car doing anything other than passing by here it must have been 2012   

Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:22:26 AM

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AM

Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common sense

I do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand it

I do not need to read anything again, I understand it perfectly well. You are not more informed than everyone else just because you are studying in college.

I can't believe you just said that.

If going to college makes you more informed how come so many politicians are dumb asses?  Check m80

While I think law enforcement is generally great, I don't like the broadness of "reasonable suspicion" to allow police officers to stop and search me.


It really puts it down the the officer, and while I'm sure there are countless good ones upholding the law, there are bound to be biased assholes who will stop certain looking people and can then pull the "reasonable suspicion" card out like it was going out of style.


In the UK which is apparently a better law enforcement group than the US, still S&S's black people 3 times as many white people S&S'd, and in certain areas of London it was 26 times more likely. Granted, that could be because of the demographics and history of said area, but I don't believe it would make it that more likely. That alone makes me wary, even as a white person.

Probable cause is put down to the officer also. Reasonable suspicion is it sounds like: A suspicion that is reasonable. This includes running from cops, a person stalking around and looking in cars with tools, passing off baggies, drinking an unidentifiable substance in a paper bag, and other things. That all falls under reasonable suspicion. It's reasonable to think a person is trying to breaki into cars by stalking around with tools. It's reasonable to think a person is drinking alcohol in public when it's being consumed from a brown paper bag

Define stalking. Could be a small-time handyman looking for the house he's supposed to be working on/in.


Hell, I've been told I can be inadvertently "stalkery" when I'm looking for something, and I've never committed a serious crime in my life.


It's more that the police officer can just claim some BS if they want to and search you regardless if they like. In any case, as a civilian how do you argue with authority? You can't just say no, that's suspicious, in itself warranting a search, or as far as resisting arrest "on suspicion of x crime"

Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 03:35:06 PM

Probable cause is put down to the officer also. Reasonable suspicion is it sounds like: A suspicion that is reasonable. This includes running from cops, a person stalking around and looking in cars with tools, passing off baggies, drinking an unidentifiable substance in a paper bag, and other things. That all falls under reasonable suspicion. It's reasonable to think a person is trying to breaki into cars by stalking around with tools. It's reasonable to think a person is drinking alcohol in public when it's being consumed from a brown paper bag

Define stalking. Could be a small-time handyman looking for the house he's supposed to be working on/in.


Hell, I've been told I can be inadvertently "stalkery" when I'm looking for something, and I've never committed a serious crime in my life.


It's more that the police officer can just claim some BS if they want to and search you regardless if they like. In any case, as a civilian how do you argue with authority? You can't just say no, that's suspicious, in itself warranting a search, or as far as resisting arrest "on suspicion of x crime"

Peeking around multiple cars and looking through the windows. As I said cars, not houses. If you saw somebody dressed in black at night time, wearing a hooded jacket and  gloves, carrying around a screwdriver and a clothes hanger, and looking inside the windows of parked vehicles then it's reasonable to assume they're trying to break into cars

A small-time handyman won't be going door to door, walking around houses, and looking inside windows. That's reasonable enough they're trying to break into a house

It's not rocket science as to what criminal behavior looks like

Officer's can't claim BS excuses because that's not how the law works. It would immediately be thrown out and the officers be disciplined. Cops are not unintelligent people, they know well enough what constitutes as being probable cause and reasonable suspicion

It's not suspicious to say no. What you do when being stopped is ask why you're being stopped and ask if you're being detained or arrested. In order to be stopped, not just a cop walking up and saying hi or being friendly, there needs to be the minimum of reasonable suspicion which allows for a detainment. Upon the reasonable suspicion and detainment, probable cause can then start being built which leads to an arrest

And as I said, you can't be arrested on the basis of reasonable suspicion, only on probable cause

For somebody that sounds like they're trying to say they know the law and are against cops, it's evident to me that you don't know the laws. Try again

Quote from: Daniel Fortesque on October 01, 2014, 11:30:20 PM

He also asked me where I was headed, what I do for a living and what I want to be when I grow up. Seems strange to me.

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