Still waitin on that screencap evidence

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 19, 2014, 11:39:32 AM

You can cry all you want, but the 4chan user base brought this on itself. How many times could they spoof the news and make everyone believe someone is dead? How many times could they be used as an army to go after someone online? How much child porn is too much? You are missing the point about 4chan and Gamergate. Had they brought attention to what happened, her trading sex for favorable reviews and downplaying her competitors, then things would be good. That isn't what they did. They attacked her. They figured out how to get on her social media feeds, they threatened her family and friends, they threatened her with violence and sexual assault.

What they did was worse than what she did. No other way to say that.

They had a slam dunk situation. Take down someone who is fucking up her own cause, and they could have improved gaming reviews while they were at it. And they fucked it up by acting like kids.

Then the Fappening. They could have kept that shit quiet. Just enjoyed it for themselves. But by spreading it around like a bunch of fools, they called down the lightening. Painted a giant target on their site.

Then the regular posting of child porn. Over and over again. Even if they got immediately banned, how is this making that site look in the eyes of the law?

Something had to give. If Moot hadn't done something then others would have stepped in and done it for him. They would have shut it down.

4Chan isn't a human right. Not by a long shot. It is the asshole of the internet. Most places would be happy to see it gone, if they even knew it existed in the first place.

Gamergate isn't about Quinn anymore, stop trying to make it that.

Gamergate is about the rampant corruption within the gaming press. Money is fucking changing hands between journalists and developers. That is absolutely unacceptable.

We did NOT threaten Zoe, her family, or her friends, that is a lie. We learned a long time ago not to do that, it just makes us look bad. Anyone making threats is either on their own, or it's a false flag.

This movement is bigger than 4chan, but /v/ was, until now, a safe haven for it.

CP gets posted all over the internet. Moot does not support it and the mods clean it up as soon as it pops up. You cannot hold him, or us, accountable for that.

Fucking really? "asshole of the internet"? What, did you spend an hour on /b/ and then never come back? Anons say faggot and nigger pretty often, but the discourse is generally much more intelligent than any of the shit you'll find elsewhere.

"The Fappening" was not 4chan organized. It was a deepweb network of hackers who sold celebrity nudes to each other. One of them decided to come forward and share it, and they chose /b/ to do it. 4chan is populous enough that of fucking course word is going to spread.
Then, the people involved, having no understanding of the Streisand effect, tried to suppress it. And we all know what happens when you try to suppress information on the internet.

Quote from: Verbatim on September 19, 2014, 01:52:58 PM

what's a metaphor

do you enjoy purposely and pedantically impeding/derailing your own threads

I'm not the one continuing to post in a thread I claim not to care about.

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 19, 2014, 01:56:02 PM

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 12:03:58 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 19, 2014, 11:39:32 AM

You can cry all you want, but the 4chan user base brought this on itself. How many times could they spoof the news and make everyone believe someone is dead? How many times could they be used as an army to go after someone online? How much child porn is too much? You are missing the point about 4chan and Gamergate. Had they brought attention to what happened, her trading sex for favorable reviews and downplaying her competitors, then things would be good. That isn't what they did. They attacked her. They figured out how to get on her social media feeds, they threatened her family and friends, they threatened her with violence and sexual assault.

What they did was worse than what she did. No other way to say that.

They had a slam dunk situation. Take down someone who is fucking up her own cause, and they could have improved gaming reviews while they were at it. And they fucked it up by acting like kids.

Then the Fappening. They could have kept that shit quiet. Just enjoyed it for themselves. But by spreading it around like a bunch of fools, they called down the lightening. Painted a giant target on their site.

Then the regular posting of child porn. Over and over again. Even if they got immediately banned, how is this making that site look in the eyes of the law?

Something had to give. If Moot hadn't done something then others would have stepped in and done it for him. They would have shut it down.

4Chan isn't a human right. Not by a long shot. It is the asshole of the internet. Most places would be happy to see it gone, if they even knew it existed in the first place.

Gamergate isn't about Quinn anymore, stop trying to make it that.

Gamergate is about the rampant corruption within the gaming press. Money is fucking changing hands between journalists and developers. That is absolutely unacceptable.

We did NOT threaten Zoe, her family, or her friends, that is a lie. We learned a long time ago not to do that, it just makes us look bad. Anyone making threats is either on their own, or it's a false flag.

This movement is bigger than 4chan, but /v/ was, until now, a safe haven for it.

CP gets posted all over the internet. Moot does not support it and the mods clean it up as soon as it pops up. You cannot hold him, or us, accountable for that.

Fucking really? "asshole of the internet"? What, did you spend an hour on /b/ and then never come back? Anons say faggot and nigger pretty often, but the discourse is generally much more intelligent than any of the shit you'll find elsewhere.

"The Fappening" was not 4chan organized. It was a deepweb network of hackers who sold celebrity nudes to each other. One of them decided to come forward and share it, and they chose /b/ to do it. 4chan is populous enough that of fucking course word is going to spread.
Then, the people involved, having no understanding of the Streisand effect, tried to suppress it. And we all know what happens when you try to suppress information on the internet.

Quit trying to brush what happened to quinn under the rug. /b/ and /g/ broke the law in what they did. It was by no means justified.

And I don't give a shit who the actual hackers were. The pics were released on /b/. They were spread by /b/.

And stop trying to paint the other forums as any better. /pol/ is either communist wannbes or neonazi recruitment drives. /v/'s posts are half "cod is ruining the world" and half "this unknown indie game will save it." The other forums are little better.

Guys dump their girlfriends' nudes on /b/ every fucking day. This has been going on for years now.

But once it happens to some famous people, suddenly everyone cares?

No, fuck that, and fuck them. If it was really important to them, people would have started throwing a fuss before now.

Nobody likes /pol/, they're a containment board moot made to keep the political shit on one board.

Clearly you don't know shit about /v/, either. CoD is hardly talked about, and /v/ fucking hates indie shit.

Quote from: Ryle on September 19, 2014, 02:12:39 PM

DAS M00T x2

I'm offended, bad madame.

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 01:30:19 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 19, 2014, 01:19:26 PM

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 09:58:29 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 19, 2014, 09:39:52 AM

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 09:37:12 AM

Quote from: challengerX on September 19, 2014, 09:22:29 AM

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 09:17:20 AM

And the gore point is ultimately irrelevant because, again, that's not what is being suppressed on 4chan

Moot is suppressing discussion of a major issue that is huge for gaming

You cannot defend that.

Seems to me like you kiddies just discovered there's corruption in life. This whole thing is blown way out of proportion.

I mean does anybody really watch or read anything about the game industry? I don't even read reviews anymore. You guys want to take these people down, ignore them. Whining all day doesn't accomplish anything.

I'm still not sure what the fuck all this is about, so if somebody would like to enlighten me that it really is the big deal you guys are making it out to be, I might just agree. But it seems to me you guys are overreacting at something which was pretty damn obvious.

We've been organized and we've made a ton of progress finding connections and collusions and exposing them, and we've already removed a few corrupted journalists.

We're not just whining, we're people from all kinds of different backgrounds working to stop games media from pushing political agendas where they do not belong.

LOL Sure thing bro.

It's funny, if you're all busy exposing and doing super secret detetctive work, why do you care about posting gore and shock images?

FUCKING LOL I WROTE OGRE INSTEAD OF GORE

Same reason I believe Churches should be able to place ads, same reason I think republicans and leftists should be able to say what they want.

Just because I'm not interested in something, or I disagree with it, doesn't mean it should be restricted.

It's not relevant to gamergate, but most things aren't.

Interested? What part of it not being free speech doesn't make sense?

Shock images aren't protected under free speech, and it's a private website.

Let me make this clear:

I am not arguing based on any current legal definitions of free speech, because they aren't really free speech. Any restriction on speech that does not cause direct harm to others violates freedom of speech. Understand? Okay.

Just because YOU think shock images are icky and scary doesn't mean they should be banned outright. We're rational creatures, we should know better than to legislate based on feelings. Require spoilers tags for gore? Sure. But banning any harmless image outright is stupid.

I understand 4chan is a private website and Moot is ultimately in charge. However, he is not immune to criticism. The guy has spent years preaching about freedom of speech and how 4chan is a safe place for it. His latest actions are in violation of all of that. It's hypocritical. I can't force him to do the right thing, but I can sure as hell criticize him for not doing it.

Shock images do directly harm people. Of course they're "icky", that's the whole fucking point of a shock image.

They're not free speech. It's about damn time you guys get banned for that shit. Realize you're especially not immune to criticism because what you're song isn't free speech in any way. Posting gore just to shock people is doing something with malicious intent, which last I looked was illegal.

Quote from: RustingFloor on September 19, 2014, 02:17:36 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on September 19, 2014, 02:10:03 PM

IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT THE CELEBS!

They just brought attention to 4chan. Now everyone sees what you freely admit. Guys trading illegal porn. I don't care about other forums. 4chan brought this in on themselves. They are the ones on trial.

Okay, give me objective proof that sharing naked pictures on the internet is illegal in the US where 4chan is based. Not being the original leaker, which I figure probably is, just sharing them. I am ignorant about these kinds of laws.

If it is illegal and is still posted, we can blame the mods for allowing it. The threads certainly go on for a while.

Quote

And every time I've gone on /v/ that's what I saw. I don't go there pretty much at all, because of the topics I saw. If I am wrong, and that was isolated, fine. But seeing that meant I'm not going back.

Good for you, but don't speak as if you're familiar with the board culture if you know you aren't. /v/ is the largest and fastest-moving board, everything is bound to show up there at some point or other.

Quote

Anyways, its been real. It doesn't matter what you or I think. My applause and your loud weeps mean nothing since he's already pulled the trigger on purging 4chan of the less desirables.

Moot is doing absolutely nothing about non-celebrity nudes or shitposting on /v/

Literally the only things he has cracked down on are gamergate discussions and celeb leaks

Hardly the most undesirable of anons.

The celeb leaks are calling every nude into question. JLaw may be the one getting the press, but what is being investigated are the age and consent of every amateur nude on the site.

And while you guys keep trying to distance your actions at the start of gamer gate, those actions are the only reason there is a story at all.

Gamergate and the Fappening painted a target on 4chan. Now the authorities are looking at the site under a microscope.

You don't realize, he's trying to save what he can. The excesses of that community are what called down the lightening, and now you have to deal with the consequences.