Fourth Tragic Death of 2015

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Why is he still 'Rookie'? The guy survived New Mombasa on his own, brought his squad together, and provided the most valuable source of information they ever had.

Still ridiculous to kill him off, let alone outside of a game.

He was new to the squad, so they called him rookie. Obviously he's a badass since he's an ODST, and Dare even comments on how odd it is that he's called a 'rookie' when he's arguably the most competent of the squad when he meets her in the tunnels, but he's still the newest member of the squad.

Yeah, obviously that's why he's called Rookie in the game. But after those events, it doesn't make sense for anyone to continue calling him that. It'd be more of an insult than anything, not endearing or buddy-buddy at all. Not to mention that it would have helped remove him from the context of the game, where he's a faceless, voiceless surrogate for the player, allowing the writer to characterize him better.


 
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fuck you
Maybe you lot should just read the book.


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From what I can gather, Mickey refused to shoot an insurrectionist which caused the Rookie to be killed.

Is this correct?

Yes, which is rather bizarre since he could mow through the Covenant with no problem.
He had never had to kill a Human before, so...
That's bullshit.

that He never had the opportunity to kill a human, I can believe that.
But ODSTs have been engaging Insurrectionists for decades. He should have been able to make that judgement.

Of course, Since 343 is done crucifying Halsey, I guess they have to make Innies sympathetic.
Disgusting.
How is it bullshit? He was born during the fucking Human/Covenant War.
Unless he took up a hobby of killing humans in his off duty hours, the chances of Mickey having to kill a human is next to none.

They're not making Innies sympathetic. They're putting a character who's never killed a human before in a situation he's completely new to.

I can't imagine killing a human who is part of a group he's been told from birth were the enemy, and who happens to be pointing a gun at a close friend, would be much more difficult than killing an alien.

He's an ODST, he was ordered to kill her, so that's what he should have done. Suddenly pussing out and ignoring a direct order when an ally is in danger is the exact opposite of their past characterization.

Except that, for the most pat, the URF (And various other militia) worked alongside the UNSC against the Covenant; such as the UNSC assisting the rebels in the Rubble when their colony was attacked by the Covenant.


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Why is he still 'Rookie'? The guy survived New Mombasa on his own, brought his squad together, and provided the most valuable source of information they ever had.

Still ridiculous to kill him off, let alone outside of a game.

He was new to the squad, so they called him rookie. Obviously he's a badass since he's an ODST, and Dare even comments on how odd it is that he's called a 'rookie' when he's arguably the most competent of the squad when he meets her in the tunnels, but he's still the newest member of the squad.

Yeah, obviously that's why he's called Rookie in the game. But after those events, it doesn't make sense for anyone to continue calling him that. It'd be more of an insult than anything, not endearing or buddy-buddy at all. Not to mention that it would have helped remove him from the context of the game, where he's a faceless, voiceless surrogate for the player, allowing the writer to characterize him better.

As I said in a prior post, it has a bit of a conflict. You've seen the backlash from idiots who want John to be a silent protagonist, giving Rookie an actual character would piss a lot of people off. Likewise, keeping him there would annoy others who want an actual character- I do wish we got a name, though the Buck (cwatididthar?) does mention hwo it's odd that they still call him rookie despite him having prior experience (See: Dirt)

Killing him off is probably the best solution- though I would have preferred him to be a part of Fireteam Crimson, but whatever.


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Time to pay our respects I guess...

I'm not particularly upset with the Rookie dying as a concept, it's just unbelievable how he died.

God damn ungrateful Innie scum.
Where were they when UNSC Personnel were dying by the millions just so a few more civilian transports could evac off a planet?

Stealing nukes from Fleetcom, no doubt.

The issue we should be having is that a guy who's gone toe-to-toe with Brute. Motherfucking. Chieftains, and managed to survive in a city completely under occupation got killed the way he did. I think the Rookie needed to be killed off for my reasons already listed, but he should have had one a bit more fitting to his character; after the shit in Dirt and H3ODST, being captured by a human opponent seems almost underwhelming for him .


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You've seen the backlash from idiots who want John to be a silent protagonist.

Nobody wants him to be entirely silent. Just silent in-game. Having him speak his shiny ass off ruins the effect of the player being in the game and doing all those badass things (and distracts from gameplay in general).
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Why is he still 'Rookie'? The guy survived New Mombasa on his own, brought his squad together, and provided the most valuable source of information they ever had.

Still ridiculous to kill him off, let alone outside of a game.

He was new to the squad, so they called him rookie. Obviously he's a badass since he's an ODST, and Dare even comments on how odd it is that he's called a 'rookie' when he's arguably the most competent of the squad when he meets her in the tunnels, but he's still the newest member of the squad.

Yeah, obviously that's why he's called Rookie in the game. But after those events, it doesn't make sense for anyone to continue calling him that. It'd be more of an insult than anything, not endearing or buddy-buddy at all. Not to mention that it would have helped remove him from the context of the game, where he's a faceless, voiceless surrogate for the player, allowing the writer to characterize him better.
Wanna know what's even more annoying on why he's called the Rookie?

He's 5 years older than Mickey.



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You've seen the backlash from idiots who want John to be a silent protagonist.

Nobody wants him to be entirely silent. Just silent in-game. Having him speak his shiny ass off ruins the effect of the player being in the game and doing all those badass things (and distracts from gameplay in general).

That's my point. Players shouldn't be John because they aren't. If you want the player is the character add customisation and don't make a background story for them a la Noble Six, the most boring protagonist in any Halo to date.


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You've seen the backlash from idiots who want John to be a silent protagonist.

Nobody wants him to be entirely silent. Just silent in-game. Having him speak his shiny ass off ruins the effect of the player being in the game and doing all those badass things (and distracts from gameplay in general).

That's my point. Players shouldn't be John because they aren't. If you want the player is the character add customisation and don't make a background story for them a la Noble Six, the most boring protagonist in any Halo to date.
Even Noble 6 has a backstory and a canon armor set.


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That's my point. Players shouldn't be John because they aren't.

That's nice, but irrelevant. Some like the idea that they are the Master Chief. That was the original intent, and it's hardly idiotic to want to go back to that type of storytelling. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't.

Besides, it's not like he's losing much characterization if they did.

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If you want the player is the character add customisation and don't make a background story for them a la Noble Six, the most boring protagonist in any Halo to date.

Bashing Noble Six for being a boring protagonist is like bashing an Elder Scrolls protagonist for being boring. They're only as interesting as you make them. Get more creative, if you didn't like him/her.


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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.


 
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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.

Why they aren't putting those stories into the actual game was my point.


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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.

Why they aren't putting those stories into the actual game was my point.
You should probably re-read his post.


 
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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.

Why they aren't putting those stories into the actual game was my point.
You should probably re-read his post.

What


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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.

Why they aren't putting those stories into the actual game was my point.
You should probably re-read his post.

What
You. Should. Probably. Re-read. His. Post


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does this stuff even work?
Am i the only one here who has a distaste for the halo books?


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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*


 
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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.

Well to be fair the books usually tell the stories better than the games. At least that's how it was when I read the earlier books, not sure how good these new ones are.

Why they aren't putting those stories into the actual game was my point.
You should probably re-read his post.

What
You. Should. Probably. Re-read. His. Post

That's helpful.


 
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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*

Heyo, they made it work with Isaac Clark from Dead Space.


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When I die please bury me deep!
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Don't you worry, don't come undone!
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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*
Buck being in Halo 5 is a pretty high chance, since Nathan Fillion's voice was in the H5 Beta trailer, and I believe in the actual Beta too.


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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*
Buck being in Halo 5 is a pretty high chance, since Nathan Fillion's voice was in the H5 Beta trailer, and I believe in the actual Beta too.
Buck is trying to replace Cortana as the character to appear in the most Halo games.


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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*
Buck being in Halo 5 is a pretty high chance, since Nathan Fillion's voice was in the H5 Beta trailer, and I believe in the actual Beta too.
Buck is trying to replace Cortana as the character to appear in the most Halo games.
If Buck is actually in Halo 5, it'll be the third game he's in.
Cortana has been in five so far.


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Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*
Buck being in Halo 5 is a pretty high chance, since Nathan Fillion's voice was in the H5 Beta trailer, and I believe in the actual Beta too.
Buck is trying to replace Cortana as the character to appear in the most Halo games.
If Buck is actually in Halo 5, it'll be the third game he's in.
Cortana has been in five so far.
Yeah, he's gotta catch up first.


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A flower which blooms on the battlefield
Like...it makes sense in a way, it sounds like Buck and Romeo will make an appearance in Halo 5, but it'd be hard to carry on a secondary character and give him story, when he's a silent protagonist. Youd have to give him a voice and a face that would suit him, but he's meant to be us in a way, and thats hard.

*sips tea*
Buck being in Halo 5 is a pretty high chance, since Nathan Fillion's voice was in the H5 Beta trailer, and I believe in the actual Beta too.
Buck is trying to replace Cortana as the character to appear in the most Halo games.
If Buck is actually in Halo 5, it'll be the third game he's in.
Cortana has been in five so far.
Yeah, he's gotta catch up first.
I'm okay with this. You can never have enough Nathan Fillion.