So do we all play ODST in pepperoni for Rookie?

We have to be sure we kill that faggot Micky too.

Quote from: Naru | The TotesCaller on March 03, 2015, 05:42:04 PM

So do we all play ODST in pepperoni for Rookie?

when it comes to mcc i will.

NOT LIKE I WANTED TO PLAY WITH YOU.. B.. BAKA!

From what I can gather, Mickey refused to shoot an insurrectionist which caused the Rookie to be killed.

Is this correct?

Yes, which is rather bizarre since he could mow through the Covenant with no problem.

TFW Palmer goes into multiple hostile combat zones with no helmet on and still hasn't been shot in the head.

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 06:16:48 PM

Quote from: Sigma617 on March 03, 2015, 06:15:58 PM

From what I can gather, Mickey refused to shoot an insurrectionist which caused the Rookie to be killed.

Is this correct?

Yes, which is rather bizarre since he could mow through the Covenant with no problem.

He had never had to kill a Human before, so...

Species shouldn't matter. ODSTs are supposed to be the greatest infantry force in the UNSC (that aren't superhuman). Getting people into the mindset that they're killing 'the enemy' instead of killing 'a person' is already a huge part of military training - I'd imagine it'd be even more so in the super-duper-ultra-mega-best-of-the-best-of-the-best special forces the ODSTs are meant to be.

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 03, 2015, 06:26:48 PM

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 06:16:48 PM

Quote from: Sigma617 on March 03, 2015, 06:15:58 PM

From what I can gather, Mickey refused to shoot an insurrectionist which caused the Rookie to be killed.

Is this correct?

Yes, which is rather bizarre since he could mow through the Covenant with no problem.

He had never had to kill a Human before, so...

Species shouldn't matter. ODSTs are supposed to be the greatest infantry force in the UNSC (that aren't superhuman). Getting people into the mindset that they're killing 'the enemy' instead of killing 'a person' is already a huge part of military training - I'd imagine it'd be even more so in the super-duper-ultra-mega-best-of-the-best-of-the-best special forces the ODSTs are meant to be.

If all you've known is to kill aliens, then you're going to be conflicted on killing a human.
It's not all that odd of a thing to happen, because it's just how we work.

He was a fucking soldier that should have followed orders instead of being a pussy that got his brother in arms killed.

I'm sorry you're too retarded to understand the fundamentals of military conduct, Lemon (and admirals in he shows up)

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 06:36:07 PM

Quote from: BritishLemön on March 03, 2015, 06:26:48 PM

Quote from: Plotmaster | Fluid Druid on March 03, 2015, 06:16:48 PM

Quote from: Sigma617 on March 03, 2015, 06:15:58 PM

From what I can gather, Mickey refused to shoot an insurrectionist which caused the Rookie to be killed.

Is this correct?

Yes, which is rather bizarre since he could mow through the Covenant with no problem.

He had never had to kill a Human before, so...

Species shouldn't matter. ODSTs are supposed to be the greatest infantry force in the UNSC (that aren't superhuman). Getting people into the mindset that they're killing 'the enemy' instead of killing 'a person' is already a huge part of military training - I'd imagine it'd be even more so in the super-duper-ultra-mega-best-of-the-best-of-the-best special forces the ODSTs are meant to be.

If all you've known is to kill aliens, then you're going to be conflicted on killing a human.
It's not all that odd of a thing to happen, because it's just how we work.

In real life, soldiers who've never killed anything before are able to kill another human being when ordered to. It's what they're trained to do, after all, and I can't imagine ODSTs wouldn't be trained to fight rebels as well as the Covenant. It makes little sense that Mickey could get through the war with the Covenant with no problems and yet break down when ordered to kill one Insurrectionist.

I know you really like 343's story, but this is definitely an example of poor writing.

Quote from: Sigma617 on March 03, 2015, 06:42:01 PM

He was a fucking soldier that should have followed orders instead of being a pussy that got his brother in arms killed.

I'm sorry you're too retarded to understand the fundamentals of military conduct, Lemon (and admirals in he shows up)

Oh fuck off.
I understand military conduct perfectly fine.

How many times do I need to repeat myself?
He's never killed a human. Having a lapse in judgement isn't something that's completely out there, you know.
He's not an indoctrinated Spartan that lacks humanity.

As much as you lot love to hate them, 343 aren't to blame for how a human works. 

It doesn't matter if he's told to kill a human by people if all he's known is killing Aliens.

Did he fuck up? Undoubtedly. He fucked up massively.
Is what happened ridiculous? Not at all.


But whatever. I'm done here.

mad :^)

He's never killed a human.

Considering almost every soldier that's ever killed another in war did it when ordered without ever killing somebody before, I'm astonished that you think this matters. Especially since he's a hardcore special forces ODST and not some novice that just got out of basic.

As much as you lot love to hate them, 343 aren't to blame for how a human works.

They are, however, to blame for how their characters work. Having a sudden moment of empathy when somebody is pointing a gun at their friend isn't something that ODSTs are characterized as doing.

It doesn't matter if he's told to kill a human by people if all he's known is killing Aliens.

It doesn't matter that he's an ODST that's been trained to kill anything he's told to kill.

It doesn't matter that soldiers are taught to depersonalize their adversaries into being 'the enemy'.

It doesn't matter that soldiers have always been expected/able to kill 'the enemy' when ordered to in the past.

It doesn't matter that the Insurrectionist had his friend at gunpoint.

It doesn't matter that psychological issues more often than not occur after one has killed another, and not before.

Sorry Lemon, it still doesn't hold up.

Both of his parents were Insurrectionist btw. You know, something that actually explains why he'd have a judgement lapse.

Oh, goody, I can copy/paste my post here, too.

...And? After being told the Insurrectionists are 'the enemy' for years, and presumably being specifically trained to kill them alongside the Covenant, and considering she had a gun to his friend's head, I can't imagine this would matter to him much, especially in such a tense moment with that last detail.

If nothing else, he should have at least fired for the sake of his friend, instead of hanging back like he's trying to let her kill Rook.

Time to pay our respects I guess...

Quote from: Decimator Omega on March 03, 2015, 07:55:00 PM

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Time to pay our respects I guess...

I'm not particularly upset with the Rookie dying as a concept, it's just unbelievable how he died.

God damn ungrateful Innie scum.
Where were they when UNSC Personnel were dying by the millions just so a few more civilian transports could evac off a planet?

Stealing nukes from Fleetcom, no doubt.

I hate the author. I wish this wasn't canon.

Why is he still 'Rookie'? The guy survived New Mombasa on his own, brought his squad together, and provided the most valuable source of information they ever had.

Still ridiculous to kill him off, let alone outside of a game.

He was new to the squad, so they called him rookie. Obviously he's a badass since he's an ODST, and Dare even comments on how odd it is that he's called a 'rookie' when he's arguably the most competent of the squad when he meets her in the tunnels, but he's still the newest member of the squad.