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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.
Who are noble team?
Something that we should forget about.

They were some of the best and most developed characters though
midgy please


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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

Well, Covie motivations didn't have anything to seemingly overwrite back then. They performed their role in the story as a stagnant group of antagonists, allowing the real plot to unfold.

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Anton would kill me, but I'd have preferred it to stay that way and instead focus on the Forerunner/Flood elements of the story. Covenant focus was a misdirection for the Halo series IMO [it's why the truly well written parts of the OT were relegated to H3 terminals]. As I'm sure you can tell, it's also the main reason why I'm attached to the new series.


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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.
Who are noble team?
Something that we should forget about.

They were some of the best and most developed characters though
midgy please



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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.
Who are noble team?
Something that we should forget about.

They were some of the best and most developed characters though
midgy please


no sex for you


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Why they don't put shit like this in games instead of lolbooks I'll never fucking know.

Seriously, this would make an awesome story. Or at least, a more memorable Halo story. Nothing like this ever happens in the games, save Cortana.
Who are noble team?
Something that we should forget about.

They were some of the best and most developed characters though
midgy please


no sex for you

That's fine, my hand was feeling lonely anyway


 
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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

Retarded logic.


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Everyone knows the most developed character in Halo was Spartan Thom.


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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

Retarded logic.
It's not.
However, explaing something 3 years later is what's retarded.


 
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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

Retarded logic.
It's not.
However, explaing something 3 years later is what's retarded.

Gojira already said it. The reason no one cared why we were facing the Covenant in CE was because it didn't overwrite/contradict anything that was established previously, and it wasn't the focus of the story (but this isn't relevant to the argument).

Halo 4's campaign didn't explain why we were facing the Covenant after it was seemingly established that the Elites were on our side now.



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because it didn't overwrite/contradict anything that was established previously, and it wasn't the focus of the story (but this isn't relevant to the argument).
These also apply to Halo 4.


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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

It was the first game in the series and released during the time period where nobody gave a shit why they had to shoot the aliens, only that they had to.

By the seventh game in the series, we should know who the bad guys are, especially if they're just the old bad guys with a slightly different motive.
Just because people apparently didn't care (which obviously isn't entirely true) doesn't excuse no explanation.

The only reason that anybody bothers to point at Halo 1 and say 'yeah but Bungie didn't give a reason either' is to try to excuse Halo 4 doing the same. Except Halo 1 didn't have to give a reason, given the Covenant were less of a story-based enemy and more of an obstacle for the player to fight through to get to the real antagonist, the Flood. They kick off the game by showing up and wrecking shit, then act as a placeholder bad guy used to keep the player actually playing until the real story begins. (That, and storytelling in games wasn't up to today's standards anyhow).

Halo 4, however, already has the Covenant as an ingrained staple to the plot; why they're attacking, especially after they had a ceasefire with the UNSC, is rather important this late in the story. They're more than just a placeholder enemy until the Didact and his goons show up at this point, so 343 should be expected to tell us why they're doing what they're doing.


 
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because it didn't overwrite/contradict anything that was established previously, and it wasn't the focus of the story (but this isn't relevant to the argument).
These also apply to Halo 4.

No, it doesn't. You can't just take specific quotes out of context and tell me I'm wrong.

The reason these don't apply to Halo 4 is because Halo 4 did overwrite things that were in the previous games(Halo 3). There was no in-game reason for us to be facing the Covenant.

Just because the books cover something major like that doesn't excuse the inconsistency or lack of communication.


 
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The only reason that anybody bothers to point at Halo 1 and say 'yeah but Bungie didn't give a reason either' is to try to excuse Halo 4 doing the same. Except Halo 1 didn't have to give a reason, given the Covenant were less of a story-based enemy and more of an obstacle for the player to fight through to get to the real antagonist, the Flood. They kick off the game by showing up and wrecking shit, then act as a placeholder bad guy used to keep the player actually playing until the real story begins. (That, and storytelling in games wasn't up to today's standards anyhow).

Halo 4, however, already has the Covenant as an ingrained staple to the plot; why they're attacking, especially after they had a ceasefire with the UNSC, is rather important this late in the story. They're more than just a placeholder enemy until the Didact and his goons show up at this point, so 343 should be expected to tell us why they're doing what they're doing.

This.


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because it didn't overwrite/contradict anything that was established previously, and it wasn't the focus of the story (but this isn't relevant to the argument).
These also apply to Halo 4.

No, it doesn't. You can't just take specific quotes out of context and tell me I'm wrong.

The reason these don't apply to Halo 4 is because Halo 4 did overwrite things that were in the previous games(Halo 3). There was no in-game reason for us to be facing the Covenant.

Just because the books cover something major like that doesn't excuse the inconsistency or lack of communication.
These = plural
More than one

Both of the points I quoted apply to Halo 4.
Yes, I know the first point isn't in-game and I'm not denying that, but that's not the current discussion at hand.


 
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That's true. The "not the focus of the story" bit does apply to Halo 4, I'll give you that one.

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Yes, I know the first point isn't in-game and I'm not denying that, but that's not the current discussion at hand.
The discussion at hand is whether or not Halo 1 and Halo 4 did the same thing. The answer is, they didn't. Two different circumstances.


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?


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People bitch about 343i not explaining the Covenant in Halo 4 but Bungie did the exact same thing in Halo: CE and didn't explain their motivations until 2-3 years after.

Retarded logic.
It's not.
However, explaing something 3 years later is what's retarded.


Or the fact we weren't told how the war started until nearly nine years after the first media and 2 after the media depicting the end of the war.


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?

Its from the novel "New Blood", and yes, it's canon.

Unfortunately.


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?


Halo: new Blood, the digital novel that cane out yesterday. It's a good read, especially if you liked ODST.


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I like hugs and making the world a better place. That and guns. Lots and lots of guns.
I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?

Its from the novel "New Blood", and yes, it's canon.

Unfortunately.
Why? Why would she kill him? What the hell is going on with Halo's canon?


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?

Its from the novel "New Blood", and yes, it's canon.

Unfortunately.
Why? Why would she kill him? What the hell is going on with Halo's canon?

He and his squad were fighting rebels and he got captured. Plot shenanigans happened and she shot him in the head.


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?

Its from the novel "New Blood", and yes, it's canon.

Unfortunately.
Why? Why would she kill him? What the hell is going on with Halo's canon?
Because she was an Insurrectionist. Why wouldn't she kill him?


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I just want to say; if halo should cater its competitive multiplayer towards the MLG arena crowd, they should do the same with its lore and cater it towards the people who actually give a shit about it beyond the 5 hours of story most people may never play again.it should be connected into the books and other media or you can't get a good story going in regards to keeping a constant narrative. If you just go for ODST-esque isolated stories you end up with a narrative that is fragmented and feels isolated from the other stuff going on.


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I am so confused. Is this canon? If so, from what?

Its from the novel "New Blood", and yes, it's canon.

Unfortunately.
Why? Why would she kill him? What the hell is going on with Halo's canon?
Because she was an Insurrectionist. Why wouldn't she kill him?
Wait? I thought someone said Palmer killed him. Who killed him exactly?


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Also, rookies death is a good thing. Bungie basically went for the 'you are the character' bullshit excuse for lazy writing and made no backstory aside from Dirt. If 343 expanded on his character and made him a character they'd get flak from all the idiots who think John talking more is bad, and if they kept him alive but called him rookie all the time and never expanded on him then that would piss off people who want actual characters. This is a compromise that's pretty good and serves well for later dialogue and story in the book. The only regret was that they should have at least revealed his name.


 
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So do we all play ODST in pepperoni for Rookie?


 
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So do we all play ODST in pepperoni for Rookie?
when it comes to mcc i will.