You also never reviewed it.

probably the best anime ever made, with the movie being the best part

i need to rewatch rebuild 3.0 though because i loathed it and i need to make sure that i didn't miss the point

Quote from: Verbatim on December 09, 2019, 12:30:34 AM

probably the best anime ever made, with the movie being the best part

i need to rewatch rebuild 3.0 though because i loathed it and i need to make sure that i didn't miss the point

Thoughts on the dream sequences?
Last two episodes

idk if i'd call them dream sequences per se, but i did find myself enjoying them, even if they do only serve to explain the point of the entire show to people who didn't get it (and in a way that a lot of people found all the more confusing and unsatisfying), but i was able to appreciate them nonetheless

knowing there was still a movie left to watch certainly helped, whereas that wasn't a certainty when the show was still new, so i can definitely understand why they're unpopular

there's a lot of really cool and fun animation in those episodes, and the introspective and philosophical writing is highly reminiscent of a lot of my favorite written works, like The Stranger, where similar concepts are explored



they toyed around with a lot of ideas that i've spent a lot of time thinking about, especially when i was shinji's age, and i've never really found myself relating with a fictional character at that level before, so that was really cool

the whole "this is the me that exists in your mind" segment in particular has always stood out to me as a really strong
illustration of how difficult it can be to deal with the anxieties of being perceived negatively by people in spite of all your efforts to avoid that, and since the same rule applies to everybody, we as a species are basically all just these autistic automatons trying to get a read on each other without making ourselves too vulnerable in the process, which is a paradox that i think the entire show is an allegory for

when i watched this show for the first time, i still had a rockhard hate-boner for anime as a medium, and i wasn't trying to be open-minded about it whatsoever, so without these two episodes (and the movie), i probably wouldn't have ever cared to examine the show's deeper themes, so i think that's where a lot of my appreciation comes from as well

you could say that the episodes kinda give off the impression that they ran out of budget or whatever, but i can't say that really bothers me, since i was never in it for the robot fights anyway

Quote from: Ingy on December 09, 2019, 01:34:05 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 09, 2019, 12:30:34 AM

probably the best anime ever made, with the movie being the best part

i need to rewatch rebuild 3.0 though because i loathed it and i need to make sure that i didn't miss the point

Thoughts on the dream sequences?
Last two episodes

idk if i'd call them dream sequences per se, but i did find myself enjoying them, even if they do only serve to explain the point of the entire show to people who didn't get it (and in a way that a lot of people found all the more confusing and unsatisfying), but i was able to appreciate them nonetheless

knowing there was still a movie left to watch certainly helped, whereas that wasn't a certainty when the show was still new, so i can definitely understand why they're unpopular

there's a lot of really cool and fun animation in those episodes, and the introspective and philosophical writing is highly reminiscent of a lot of my favorite written works, like The Stranger, where similar concepts are explored



they toyed around with a lot of ideas that i've spent a lot of time thinking about, especially when i was shinji's age, and i've never really found myself relating with a fictional character at that level before, so that was really cool

the whole "this is the me that exists in your mind" segment in particular has always stood out to me as a really strong
illustration of how difficult it can be to deal with the anxieties of being perceived negatively by people in spite of all your efforts to avoid that, and since the same rule applies to everybody, we as a species are basically all just these autistic automatons trying to get a read on each other without making ourselves too vulnerable in the process, which is a paradox that i think the entire show is an allegory for

when i watched this show for the first time, i still had a rockhard hate-boner for anime as a medium, and i wasn't trying to be open-minded about it whatsoever, so without these two episodes (and the movie), i probably wouldn't have ever cared to examine the show's deeper themes, so i think that's where a lot of my appreciation comes from as well

you could say that the episodes kinda give off the impression that they ran out of budget or whatever, but i can't say that really bothers me, since i was never in it for the robot fights anyway

Of course
What’s your take on the ending?
Hopeful or nah?

Quote from: Ingy on December 09, 2019, 04:07:37 PM

Of course
What’s your take on the ending?
Hopeful or nah?

it's definitely hopeful, almost to a fault really

if you have the opportunity to (basically) save everyone from their own lives, and are tempted to do so because of how shitty people are to each other, i think to ultimately reject it because of some notions of it "all being worth it in the end" would certainly require a semblance of hope in your heart

though i relate with shinji a lot, i'd have to say that shinji's choice to abandon instrumentality and start life anew is where we kind of diverge, since i don't really share that hope and i'd be perfectly content living as a puddle of tang for the rest of time if it meant nobody ever had to feel pain again

i can certainly understand the decision from a storytelling standpoint, though, and i can appreciate that shinji wound up giving everybody the choice to return if they were so inclined to come back

i wasn't actually expecting them to just end the world and leave it there--i'm not even sure if that's what i'd want

Agreed
People go on about how depressing End of Evangelion was but everyone lives, Shinji finds his will to live, and Gendo finally fucking dies

I think it all comes down to whether best girl gets over her past or not
If not, I think Shinji's journey would all be for not

Anno certainly didn't help clear things up by giving her such an ambiguous expression and final word

>Asuka
>Best girl

Don't tell me you're a Rei fanboy

Significantly better but still incorrect.

Spoiler

It’s Misato

Quote from: Ingy on December 09, 2019, 08:52:11 PM

Don't tell me you're a Rei fanboy

Asuka > Misato > Rei

This goes in term of character as well
Never really felt any waifu vibes from Misato tho

asuka is the worst character in the entire thing

ugh fuck wait mari exists though shit fuck

asuka is really bad

never came close to understanding her appeal

bear in mind that i mean "least likable character," i don't think asuka is badly written or anything

i just don't like tsunderes who are ALL tsun; i think the only nice thing she ever says is compliment shinji on his cello playing

a few more of those moments would've gone a long way for me, because i just found her insufferable for the entire show

which is tragic because you can tell they would've been better friends if not for their shitty circumstances; it's the epitome of a relationship starting off on the wrong foot and literally never correcting itself because they're just too fucking awkward

i remember watching the dance like you want to win episode for the first time, where shinji and asuka have to get over themselves and start getting along with each other so they can be in-sync, and i was expecting that development to last, but then it doesn't really, which always bugged me

yeah yeah her backstory is tragic and whatever but that doesn't make her likable imo; i can definitely appreciate the role she has in the story, but i could never call her a favorite character just based off of her personality alone

she was also sexualized a bit too much for my liking; i always dread those stupid panty/nude gags on rewatches

out of curiosity, did you watch the netflix subs? and if not, did you make sure to watch the director's cuts of the last few episodes

ive been searching for the same high i got after watching it years ago and never got it from other anime

Quote from: Ásgeirr on December 10, 2019, 05:22:29 AM

ive been searching for the same high i got after watching it years ago and never got it from other anime

Texhnolyze, although maybe "high" won't be a feeling that you get from it

high as in manic confusion

inject it into my veins

Rei had a problem, she went through Instrumentality, she got over it.

Did she tho

Rei was barely even a character tbh
She kinda was just there

She's a lot more subtle than the others but it was definitely there. She went from praising the ground Gendo walked on to full on hating him by the end of the series. She had to deal with her nature as both a clone to a real person and being an Angel at the same time. Throughout the series she thought she was just some sacrificial pawn to Gendo's ends until she chose not to be.

Quote from: Ingy on December 10, 2019, 06:08:19 PM

Did she tho

Rei was barely even a character tbh
She kinda was just there

There was no development
At least none that I could understand

And I don't think some 2deep4u dream sequences count as development because it never changes her behavior
I am me
You are you
Peepee poopoo
Blah blah

Also why Asuka is better
Her dream sequence actually made sense and you actually see her change as her psyche breaks down

Rei just have questions build up around her and they never get answered
She just decides to abandon Gendo and go to Shinji because the plot told her to

rei not really being much of a real character works out for me, because i like to think of her (and asuka, for that matter) as a representation of a popular archetype taken to their logical extreme

"what would happen if these typical anime girl personalities were taken as seriously as possible"

as it turns out, they'd probably be pretty fucked in the head, and the show demonstrates that very well

when people talk about how the show is a deconstruction, or how anno hates otakus and shit, i think this is what they're talking about, even if they're not fully correct about either of those two things