Drugs n stuff

challengerX · October 02, 2015, 06:26:22 PM

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rC · October 02, 2015, 06:28:31 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:24:00 PM

Everyone talks about how music sounds better when high.

That just reeks of bullshit to me. That would be the only reason I'd ever do any drugs--to prove everyone wrong.

Depends on the high. Music during an acid trip sounds hellish, but if you're blazed, it sounds awesome. You're free to call me a liar, but that's what I've experienced.

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 06:29:56 PM

In what way does it sound better? That one idiot was going on about how he "noticed how blue the sky was" when high. So, like, when you're high, you pay more attention to like... individual instruments and shit? I can do that sober.

rC · October 02, 2015, 06:33:16 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:29:56 PM

In what way does it sound better? That one idiot was going on about how he "noticed how blue the sky was" when high. So, like, when you're high, you pay more attention to like... individual instruments and shit? I can do that sober.

When you're high (on thc at least), it's difficult to focus on more than one thing at a time, so when you play music and you pay attention to it, you tend to notice details that you didn't before. Also, it generally puts you in a super good mood, so you're more disposed to enjoy it anyway.

rC · October 02, 2015, 06:35:26 PM

It's hard to explain, honestly. I've never been good at describing feelings anyway. I'm sure if you tried it, you'd be much better at explaining it.

Cindy · October 02, 2015, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:24:00 PM

Everyone talks about how music sounds better when high.

That just reeks of bullshit to me. That would be the only reason I'd ever do any drugs--to prove everyone wrong.

If you were ding hallucinogens with the hope of proving people wrong, you would. It's really easy to have a shitty experience if that's what you're expecting.

Cindy · October 02, 2015, 06:37:37 PM

Quote from: rc on October 02, 2015, 06:28:31 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Everyone talks about how music sounds better when high.

That just reeks of bullshit to me. That would be the only reason I'd ever do any drugs--to prove everyone wrong.
Depends on the high. Music during an acid trip sounds hellish, but if you're blazed, it sounds awesome. You're free to call me a liar, but that's what I've experienced.

I felt like I was imprisoning the electrons to bring music to my ears, so I stopped.

rC · October 02, 2015, 06:39:30 PM

Quote from: Cindo on October 02, 2015, 06:37:37 PM

Quote from: rc on October 02, 2015, 06:28:31 PM
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Everyone talks about how music sounds better when high.

That just reeks of bullshit to me. That would be the only reason I'd ever do any drugs--to prove everyone wrong.
Depends on the high. Music during an acid trip sounds hellish, but if you're blazed, it sounds awesome. You're free to call me a liar, but that's what I've experienced.
I felt like I was imprisoning the electrons to bring music to my ears, so I stopped.

it sounded to me like if a really scratched up CD was actively trying to scare the shit out of me

Dopameme · October 02, 2015, 06:55:19 PM

Quote from: 🔫⛽️🅰🆖 on October 02, 2015, 06:26:22 PM

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
i learned so much about myself and the world around me that day it's crazy. something that i would never take back for the world.
This is fucking bullshit. If you need a drug to understand the world around you you're lame as hell.

What did you learn? Tell me.

i'll respond to this later when i can actually put some time into recollecting what i experienced that day, because it really was quite intense

in the meantime, just know it didn't help me "understand" anything, nor did i make any groundbreaking discoveries lol

challengerX · October 02, 2015, 06:56:26 PM

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rC · October 02, 2015, 06:57:26 PM

Quote from: 🔫⛽️🅰🆖 on October 02, 2015, 06:56:26 PM

Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 06:55:19 PM
Quote from: 🔫⛽️🅰🆖 on October 02, 2015, 06:26:22 PM
Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 06:19:01 PM
i learned so much about myself and the world around me that day it's crazy. something that i would never take back for the world.
This is fucking bullshit. If you need a drug to understand the world around you you're lame as hell.

What did you learn? Tell me.
i'll respond to this later when i can actually put some time into recollecting what i experienced that day, because it really was quite intense

in the meantime, just know it didn't help me "understand" anything, nor did i make any groundbreaking discoveries lol
I think you're equating feeling good and at peace with understanding shit.

lol it is bullshit. It isn't enlightening, it's just fun.

challengerX · October 02, 2015, 06:59:21 PM

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rC · October 02, 2015, 07:00:27 PM

Quote from: 🔫⛽️🅰🆖 on October 02, 2015, 06:59:21 PM

It does remove the so called "filter" for processing information so that your brain processes things in its raw form which is why people tend to have epiphanies during trips.

Have you tripped?

Coomer · October 02, 2015, 07:18:42 PM

Ok I skimmed through the thread and I'll just start off by saying don't even try to argue for the benefits of drugs. They are shit. They are physically and physiologically unhealthy. And the biggest downside to hard drugs (in my opinion) is the world associated with them. Once you go down that road, you won't find yourself in the of environments or situations. So yes, Verbatim is right.

That being said, I do have a problem with his reasoning and logic. Verbatim, your opinions are so sterile and you pretend like human emotions and hard circumstances don't exist. You try to bring a 2D objective view to such an ambiguous topic like drugs and that shouldn't be how you approach something like this. You look down on people for taking drugs or drinking alcohol because they are negatively affecting themselves. But you fail to realize that some people are put in unfortunate situations and require escape. You group the degenerate no life junkie together with the struggling mom trying to pay rent if both take drugs. Yet you failed to realize the difference between the two (or maybe you don't care).

Also I have a credibility issue with you here. You pretend to be an expert on such things yet to my understanding, you've been sheltered your entire life and never had to deal with anything that might push you to such things. (Not to say I am an expert in such things but you are making the arguments so I want you to be aware of this). You had one beer once and that was the most you ever did as far as I know. So I don't see how you can take such an "objective" view to such things without fully understanding them. You claim to hold ethics above most things in life but you fail to empathize with people in situations you disapprove of. You give no leeway to people who don't do things your way. You come into every "debate" assuming you are right and that the objective is to convert people to your side instead of listening and understanding the point better.

You wish to eliminate suffering by removing everything harmful to people. Yet you don't realize that the pursuit of happiness is necessary to not suffer. And in the pursuit of happiness, people will stumble and fall and make mistakes. You cannot take away this factor because once you do, that is where suffering begins. The soul can't flourish so to speak. You can't say that the solution to human suffering is to not be human. A bit offtopic but I wanted to dab in on that.

But the point is, Verbatim, your type of reasoning doesn't work here because it doesn't account for the emotional side of things. You think people who do drugs are all grouped as one type of person and fail to realize the circumstances that might have gotten them there. Any gray area is ignored by you and you stick to the one dimensional "drugs are bad view". This is all based on what I've seen and I have no doubt I'm probably wrong/misled on some of my info about you here but I'm trying to get you to see another vantage point to the "problem".

Coomer · October 02, 2015, 07:21:11 PM

>using periods and being serious

I should just eat a Kit Kat bar without breaking them off and kill myself to the Big Bang Theory

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 07:26:41 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:18:42 PM

i appreciate the time you took to type this up, and i also appreciate that you addressed me respectfully and with consideration--which i realize can be difficult, considering i don't always give people the same amount of respect

there's a couple minor things wrong here (ie. i'm definitely not sheltered, and it took a little bit more than a single beer to get me drunk), but in general, it's a well-thought out post and i'll take your words with equal consideration and humility

thank you

Sandtrap · October 02, 2015, 07:30:05 PM

Never expected you of all people to come up with a small wall like that.

It is a valid point though. In a peachy world, yeah, you don't need to do drugs. But, we're not taking into account human variables with that statement, are we? You technically never have to do drugs. But some people exist in situations where they don't see a choice or an option. Some use them as crutches and boons to support themselves.

Sorry for the echo chamber there. Just remembering something.

Coomer · October 02, 2015, 07:31:21 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 07:26:41 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
i appreciate the time you took to type this up, and i also appreciate that you addressed me respectfully and with consideration--which i realize can be difficult, considering i don't always give people the same amount of respect

there's a couple minor things wrong here (ie. i'm definitely not sheltered, and it took a little bit more than a single beer to get me drunk), but in general, it's a well-thought out post and i'll take your words with equal consideration and humility

thank you

Are you not going to address the points?

I was kinda looking forward to a debate >.>

rC · October 02, 2015, 07:41:38 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:31:21 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
i appreciate the time you took to type this up, and i also appreciate that you addressed me respectfully and with consideration--which i realize can be difficult, considering i don't always give people the same amount of respect

there's a couple minor things wrong here (ie. i'm definitely not sheltered, and it took a little bit more than a single beer to get me drunk), but in general, it's a well-thought out post and i'll take your words with equal consideration and humility

thank you

Are you not going to address the points?

I was kinda looking forward to a debate >.>

page 18 nigga, he's probably burnt out, pun intended

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 07:42:57 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:31:21 PM

Are you not going to address the points?

I was kinda looking forward to a debate >.>

i don't know, i'm pretty burned out on this topic
i don't really know what to say

i guess i took issue with your claim that i claim to be an expert on these subjects--i don't, and the only reason i think anyone would come to that conclusion is because i go into these debates with such bravado

but it has nothing to do with me thinking i'm an expert--that's just my personality, and you can call that a flaw, i guess

everything else seemed reasonable--i'm not very in-tune with a lot of people's emotions a lot of the time, because i try to argue from pure logic & reason, which is fine, but i guess that makes me seem out-of-touch with people and why they behave the way they do

and i know why people do drugs--it doesn't make me feel any better about it, but i understand why if someone is depressed, they'd want to escape from it in any way that they can--but i still don't like that, because it doesn't feel like a real solution that cuts to the core of the problem to me (and i could be dead wrong)

so yeah i mean, i dunno, i can't really debate your post when i don't really vehemently disagree with much of what you said, beyond the small factual discrepancies

Coomer · October 02, 2015, 07:43:19 PM

Quote from: rc on October 02, 2015, 07:41:38 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 07:26:41 PM
Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
i appreciate the time you took to type this up, and i also appreciate that you addressed me respectfully and with consideration--which i realize can be difficult, considering i don't always give people the same amount of respect

there's a couple minor things wrong here (ie. i'm definitely not sheltered, and it took a little bit more than a single beer to get me drunk), but in general, it's a well-thought out post and i'll take your words with equal consideration and humility

thank you

Are you not going to address the points?

I was kinda looking forward to a debate >.>
page 18 nigga, he's probably burnt out, pun intended

Aww showed up late to the party

K whatever

GG peeps

rC · October 02, 2015, 07:44:19 PM

spoke too soon

Coomer · October 02, 2015, 07:44:48 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 07:42:57 PM

Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on October 02, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
Are you not going to address the points?

I was kinda looking forward to a debate >.>
i don't know, i'm pretty burned out on this topic
i don't really know what to say

i guess i took issue with your claim that i claim to be an expert on these subjects--i don't, and the only reason i think anyone would come to that conclusion is because i go into these debates with such bravado

but it has nothing to do with me thinking i'm an expert--that's just my personality, and you can call that a flaw, i guess

everything else seemed reasonable--i'm not very in-tune with a lot of people's emotions a lot of the time, because i try to argue from pure logic & reason, which is fine, but i guess that makes me seem out-of-touch with people and why they behave the way they do

and i know why people do drugs--it doesn't make me feel any better about it, but i understand why if someone is depressed, they'd want to escape from it in any way that they can--but i still don't like that, because it doesn't feel like a real solution that cuts to the core of the problem to me (and i could be dead wrong)

so yeah i mean, i dunno, i can't really debate your post when i don't really vehemently disagree with much of what you said, beyond the small factual discrepancies

Alright
I guess there will always be discrepancy about these kinds of things

Verbatim · October 02, 2015, 07:45:19 PM

challengerX · October 03, 2015, 03:50:10 AM

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Jono · October 03, 2015, 04:06:04 AM

Drugs are for faggots

Dietrich Six · October 04, 2015, 02:32:26 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 06:29:56 PM

In what way does it sound better? That one idiot was going on about how he "noticed how blue the sky was" when high. So, like, when you're high, you pay more attention to like... individual instruments and shit? I can do that sober.

So much butthurt

Verbatim · October 04, 2015, 02:34:42 PM

So much idiocy.

Dopameme · October 04, 2015, 02:38:47 PM

i see this thread has risen back from the depths

aREALgod · October 04, 2015, 02:40:44 PM

Haven't you realized Verbatim has the most uneducated and asinine opinions in regards to drug use? He's literally a broken record with no discussion value. He will always tote LOL IT'S BAD and never explain with substantial points why. ITS JUST BAD K LOL AND UR DUM 2 DO IT JUST BELEEV ME ITS BAD