Quote from: Verbatim on November 17, 2016, 08:36:42 AM

Quote from: 「Prime」 on November 17, 2016, 01:06:01 AM

First driver's test I passed with like a 78/100, but the proctor failed me anyway because he thought I would work harder to improve

given the number of mishaps you've had on the road since then, was he wrong

One accident was legit my fault, and if you want to count dinging my own car while backing up at 5mph, two. Everything else was out of my hands.

Well, there's accidents, and then there's smaller errors that, while perhaps not immediately life-threatening, still would've resulted in a failure of a driving test--things 99% of drivers do. Rolling stops. Speeding (going 5 over counts). Changing lanes without a blindspot check.

I definitely didn't roll stops lol, I sat at one sign for nearly a minute because I was so nervous about cutting someone off while I was taking the test.

It was literally two things that he failed me over: not stopping early enough at a red light (was still able to stop without slamming on my breaks and I only did it because he TOLD me to coast into the stop) and he didn't like how I steered. The first was an issue of me being nervous and him not helping by loudly declaring what I'm doing wrong while simultaneously telling me the wrong thing to do, the second I learned in less than two minutes after the test.

I had to wait an extra three months and pay more money to finally get my license. It was some bullshit that I passed (by his own admission) but he failed me anyway because he thought it would be a learning experience.

I'm talking now, though. I highly doubt you don't roll stops or speed here and there, now that you've actually had your license for how many years? Probably five? There's 14 things you're supposed to do before you even begin driving--most people cut it down to 3 or 4 because they don't give a shit they just want to get going.

Anyway, my point is that you probably don't drive perfectly, and my whole thing is that everyone should drive like a flawless robot--and anything less is bad driving. So it should come to 0 shock that your skills would be reflected in the score of your driving test, even if your proctor is a dumbass.

But now I'm confused. Now you're saying it was some bullshit that you mathematically passed--but in your first post, weren't you complaining that he decided to fail you instead? You called him an asshat and everything.

I always come to a complete stop, I always check my blind spot. Only speed if it's a familiar road, and even then only if it isn't residential and I stick to 5 over unless the speed of traffic is something else.

I mathematically passed but he failed me anyways. Imagine getting a C in a class, but the teacher says "I'm going to fail you anyway, that way you'll learn the material better." That's what happened.

So you do speed. There's nothing wrong with that--I mean, there is, and context doesn't matter--but it is something you do.

And yeah, if it were some fuck-off class I only took to fulfill some requirement, I'd be pissed. Sure. But driving is a little bit more important than that, though. It's probably the most important test you'll ever take, actually. If I mathematically passed, but my teacher still wasn't fully confident in my performance and said he was going to fail me instead, I'd be 100% absolutely okay with that.

Why wouldn't I be? I'd be more concerned if he passed me while I made mistakes. I'd have him test me again until I'm satisfied.

Given that the only problem he had with my driving that wasn't caused directly by him was solved two minutes after the exam, yeah, it was some stupid. Nothing he failed me for warranted me waiting months and paying another $15 to retake it.

Why don't I believe this?

This level of confidence seems unhealthy. No one should be so confident about their own driving skills.

And the next proctor who tested me passed me with a near perfect score because she 1) didn't practically shout instructions and 2) I (as previously stated) fixed the one and only actual issue I had prior to the first exam. He could have passed me and I still would have fixed it, because why wouldn't I?

That's great. I'm glad you fixed the issue in a testing environment.

I'm just saying, chances are, it was for your own good. $15 is a small price to pay for your life or someone else's.

Quote from: 「Prime」 on November 17, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

Given that the only problem he had with my driving that wasn't caused directly by him was solved two minutes after the exam, yeah, it was some stupid. Nothing he failed me for warranted me waiting months and paying another $15 to retake it.

Why don't I believe this?

This level of confidence seems unhealthy. No one should be so confident about their own driving skills.

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And the next proctor who tested me passed me with a near perfect score because she 1) didn't practically shout instructions and 2) I (as previously stated) fixed the one and only actual issue I had prior to the first exam. He could have passed me and I still would have fixed it, because why wouldn't I?

That's great. I'm glad you fixed the issue in a testing environment.

I'm just saying, chances are, it was for your own good.

He counted me off for coasting into a stop (his intructions).
He counted me off for janky turning (fixed in two minutes).
He counted me off for launching from a stop too soon (untrue, when I started driving I always counted to 3 in my head before moving from the stop sign).
I never changed lanes, I always stayed in the far right. I didn't roll any stop signs. I didn't speed; hell, I went 25 in a 30. And my parking, while "sloppy", was within the confines of the parking space.

It was one of the single most bullshit moments of my life that I can think of.

He counted me off for coasting into a stop (his intructions).
He counted me off for janky turning (fixed in two minutes).
He counted me off for launching from a stop too soon (untrue, when I started driving I always counted to 3 in my head before moving from the stop sign).
I never changed lanes, I always stayed in the far right. I didn't roll any stop signs. I didn't speed; hell, I went 25 in a 30. And my parking, while "sloppy", was within the confines of the parking space.

It was one of the single most bullshit moments of my life that I can think of.

If you say so.

I know very few people who passed on their first try. Might be different in the US, but they're pretty tough here. My brother was failed within 5 minutes for driving too close to the cars on the side and his girlfriend was told to just turn around and head back because she used her turn signal too late when starting to park. You're graded on 20 something categories and 1 "bad" is an instant fail, while 2 "insufficients" are too. Not looking forward to it, lol.

I wish they were that strict in Australia;

The amount of people who remove the limiters from their trucks or flat out don't headcheck when changing lanes is fucked up.

Driving is easy as fuck but there are people out there who shouldn't come near a steering wheel.

So what should they do?

Quote from: Verbatim on November 18, 2016, 09:28:21 PM

So what should they do?

They either need to relearn fucking everything they thought they knew about driving, or hand in their license and sell their car. Public transport is still a thing and the inconvenience is better than wrapping your friends around a tree.

Public transport is only if you have an income, or someone nice enough to lend you enough money for the bus fare.

Suppose you don't. I'm just saying--I don't think people think very hard about these things.