Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:19:28 PMQuote from: BaconShelf on October 28, 2014, 04:07:44 AMWith the scale of the universe, any god whose primary concern is humanity is unlikely to be an important one.I paraphrased that, but it gets it across.Since God's power is infinite, this isn't a problem for him.If his power is infinite then why did he have to rest on the 7th day? Checkmate theists.
Quote from: BaconShelf on October 28, 2014, 04:07:44 AMWith the scale of the universe, any god whose primary concern is humanity is unlikely to be an important one.I paraphrased that, but it gets it across.Since God's power is infinite, this isn't a problem for him.
With the scale of the universe, any god whose primary concern is humanity is unlikely to be an important one.I paraphrased that, but it gets it across.
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
He didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:33:02 PMHe didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.Not what the bible says.SpoilerGenesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
Quote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 02:43:00 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:33:02 PMHe didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.Not what the bible says.SpoilerGenesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.Your reading too much into it.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:45:05 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 02:43:00 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:33:02 PMHe didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.Not what the bible says.SpoilerGenesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.Your reading too much into it.But if god is omnipotent, he doesn't need to rest.To an omnipotent being, rest is a human concept that means nothing.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Quote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 02:48:12 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:45:05 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 02:43:00 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:33:02 PMHe didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.Not what the bible says.SpoilerGenesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.Your reading too much into it.But if god is omnipotent, he doesn't need to rest.To an omnipotent being, rest is a human concept that means nothing.What kind of omnipotent being doesn't have the ability to rest for a day?
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
Problem with the conception of "traditional hell" is that it makes no sense in any way you look at it, as it was pretty much taken from other mythologies.Why would there be heat and fire in hell when those are God's creations? Wouldn't hell be separation from God? Why would he punish those he created and outright says, many times, that he loves them all, from the wicked to the good?If a hell were to exist, then it would have to be completely void of God's creation, which means it would amount to being nothing. And thinking about it, you'd pretty much have to want to be there for that to happen.Which leads into the "But they say you need to believe in Jesus Christ as the Lord and savior to gain entrance!". Yes, the Bible says that to enter the kingdom of heaven you must go through God to get there. Now, I don't know any Christian that doesn't think or say "God is all around us, in everything he made", so going by extension, believing in God's creation would equate to believing in God. Maybe people don't call God the same name, maybe to some it's "first cause" or "the Universe" or whatever.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:03:21 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 02:48:12 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:45:05 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 02:43:00 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 02:33:02 PMHe didn't "have" to do anything. He made that 7th day a day of rest to set an example for us: the sabbath day.Checkmate person im responding to.Not what the bible says.SpoilerGenesis 2:2By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing, so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.That did nothing for your argument. It didn't imply anything about God being tired or whatever. He simply chose to rest.Your reading too much into it.But if god is omnipotent, he doesn't need to rest.To an omnipotent being, rest is a human concept that means nothing.What kind of omnipotent being doesn't have the ability to rest for a day?Where did I say he couldn't?
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.
Why would there be heat and fire in hell when those are God's creations? Wouldn't hell be separation from God?
Why would he punish those he created and outright says, many times, that he loves them all, from the wicked to the good?
If a hell were to exist, then it would have to be completely void of God's creation
Why wouldn't there be? God created all things, which means he created hell, too.
And what of the people God has killed?
How do you arrive at this conclusion?
Do you know how much BasedLove doesn't give a fuck?
Just allow me to say this. God is like politics, if you bring it up there WILL be a debate "no if's and's or but's about it". Just something to think about when making a thread of this subject matter, no matter if you're religious or not.SpoilerAn aside point. There's about as much evidence of God's love as there is of his existence. Call me skeptical.
your mother loves me very much
Quote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.Wut
Do you know how much GOD loves you?
