Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
Quote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.Wut
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?If God loves me then why did he make Ellen Page a Lesbian?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me....but you're still all Christians.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 04:27:04 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me....but you're still all Christians.Like that has ever stopped anyone from having different opinions?There are Christians that believe Jesus was white, 6' tall, that the world was created 10,000 years ago and that every word some guys hundreds of years ago decided was okay is the very word of God himself.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMWhat if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Considering the Roman Catholics are the oldest branch and most denominations split from them, plus the fact they are more accepting of evolution as a whole and a Catholic priest first came up with the the big bang theory, I'd really argue otherwise. This is excluding their affinity for kids by the way.
What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:37:19 PMQuote from: Zenmaster on October 28, 2014, 04:31:48 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMWhat if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Considering the Roman Catholics are the oldest branch and most denominations split from them, plus the fact they are more accepting of evolution as a whole and a Catholic priest first came up with the the big bang theory, I'd really argue otherwise. This is excluding their affinity for kids by the way.Those denominations split because they were tired of the Catholic church's shit. They did plenty of stuff that didn't make sense to the faith, and so people split off. They were the people that said paying money would allow the Priests to get rid of your sins, they also sent a bunch of children on a crusade thinking God would be with them because they were just children. Like srsly.I don't know how they're exactly more accepting of evolution than anyone else, but okay.I know about the Protestant Reformation and why it happened. It doesn't change the fact that in many different denominations things have just been cherry picked so it coincides with their own ideology. Plus, you seem to forget that denominations where made just because the King couldn't have a son. No religion is exempt from bad actions, not saying it is exactly a religious fault, similar atrocities would probably still have happened without religion, just under a different name or power.Anyhow, regarding the acceptance of evolution, it is mainly anecdotal on my belief, but more times then not, Catholics seem to agree with evolution, while protestants don't. Plus, looking at the U.S. which is primarily Protestant, you can see the anti-evolution belief in the country.
Quote from: Zenmaster on October 28, 2014, 04:31:48 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMWhat if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Considering the Roman Catholics are the oldest branch and most denominations split from them, plus the fact they are more accepting of evolution as a whole and a Catholic priest first came up with the the big bang theory, I'd really argue otherwise. This is excluding their affinity for kids by the way.Those denominations split because they were tired of the Catholic church's shit. They did plenty of stuff that didn't make sense to the faith, and so people split off. They were the people that said paying money would allow the Priests to get rid of your sins, they also sent a bunch of children on a crusade thinking God would be with them because they were just children. Like srsly.I don't know how they're exactly more accepting of evolution than anyone else, but okay.
Quote from: Zenmaster on October 28, 2014, 04:45:47 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:37:19 PMQuote from: Zenmaster on October 28, 2014, 04:31:48 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMWhat if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Considering the Roman Catholics are the oldest branch and most denominations split from them, plus the fact they are more accepting of evolution as a whole and a Catholic priest first came up with the the big bang theory, I'd really argue otherwise. This is excluding their affinity for kids by the way.Those denominations split because they were tired of the Catholic church's shit. They did plenty of stuff that didn't make sense to the faith, and so people split off. They were the people that said paying money would allow the Priests to get rid of your sins, they also sent a bunch of children on a crusade thinking God would be with them because they were just children. Like srsly.I don't know how they're exactly more accepting of evolution than anyone else, but okay.I know about the Protestant Reformation and why it happened. It doesn't change the fact that in many different denominations things have just been cherry picked so it coincides with their own ideology. Plus, you seem to forget that denominations where made just because the King couldn't have a son. No religion is exempt from bad actions, not saying it is exactly a religious fault, similar atrocities would probably still have happened without religion, just under a different name or power.Anyhow, regarding the acceptance of evolution, it is mainly anecdotal on my belief, but more times then not, Catholics seem to agree with evolution, while protestants don't. Plus, looking at the U.S. which is primarily Protestant, you can see the anti-evolution belief in the country.I'd say that's more of an American thing, the UK is/was primarily protestant and Evolution has been widely accepted and taught here for a long time now <.<
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.
Quote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:51:16 PMI'd say that's more of an American thing, the UK is/was primarily protestant and Evolution has been widely accepted and taught here for a long time now <.<That's true, excuse my ignorance, I really didn't take into consideration other factors when talking about it.
I'd say that's more of an American thing, the UK is/was primarily protestant and Evolution has been widely accepted and taught here for a long time now <.<
Quote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Quote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.I know that feel, I was christened and attended a Catholic church for most of my life, but I've always thought the traditions were kinda silly
Quote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.It might look odd but is it better to spend a million on making everything shiny and painted nicely in a church or to put that towards charity?I was CofE where it's all quite spartan, so Catholic churches tend to look very ostentatious to me.
Quote from: Officer Nasty on October 28, 2014, 05:02:22 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.I know that feel, I was christened and attended a Catholic church for most of my life, but I've always thought the traditions were kinda sillyHey at least Pope Francis sounds like a cool dude.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 05:02:13 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.It might look odd but is it better to spend a million on making everything shiny and painted nicely in a church or to put that towards charity?I was CofE where it's all quite spartan, so Catholic churches tend to look very ostentatious to me.Well, when you think about it, it keeps the architects and workmen paid; and you end up with a badass-looking Cathedral. Kinda works out in the end.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?YouTube
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