Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:52:39 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:49:09 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:47:04 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such. supraoesophageal ganglia is Latin for spider brainYes, and a spider brain != a brain. It's a very informal brain; it let's them know when they're hungry, tired, and let's them move. You'd be more accurate to call it a complicated nervous system than a brainy animal. but a brain is just a complicated nervous system (or rather part of one)Calling an animal with as complex a nervous system as spiders have brainless is dumb. Not having emotions doesn't make something brainless https://books.google.com/books?id=478yAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=supraoesophageal+ganglia&source=bl&ots=JsVUXk6Dht&sig=Cr9o39i03mnefmyFMwvSeLKD2G0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKhty_6PrMAhUPfVIKHRZICfEQ6AEIVjANhttps://books.google.com/books?id=IaocAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=supraoesophageal+ganglia&source=bl&ots=z0a5HkZwoG&sig=YYJ-LnB5b2o_yce8qGQP_dJgzDw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKhty_6PrMAhUPfVIKHRZICfEQ6AEIWDAO#v=onepage&q=supraoesophageal%20ganglia&f=falseThe ganglia are responsible for touch, smell sight, taste, and hearing. That's it, regulating senses. It is not a formal brain, it is not a complex cerebral organ like a dolphin's, or a dog's. The spider's ganglia (the equivalent of a brain) are literally just sensory regulators.Zero intellect, zero thought, just predator instinct. If it can't produce thought, it's brainless.
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:49:09 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:47:04 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such. supraoesophageal ganglia is Latin for spider brainYes, and a spider brain != a brain. It's a very informal brain; it let's them know when they're hungry, tired, and let's them move. You'd be more accurate to call it a complicated nervous system than a brainy animal. but a brain is just a complicated nervous system (or rather part of one)Calling an animal with as complex a nervous system as spiders have brainless is dumb. Not having emotions doesn't make something brainless
Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:47:04 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such. supraoesophageal ganglia is Latin for spider brainYes, and a spider brain != a brain. It's a very informal brain; it let's them know when they're hungry, tired, and let's them move. You'd be more accurate to call it a complicated nervous system than a brainy animal.
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such. supraoesophageal ganglia is Latin for spider brain
Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such.
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains tho
Quote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.
Quote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference there
Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better?
You won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children?
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:03:37 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:52:39 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:49:09 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:47:04 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:44:52 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:40:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 12:36:47 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:33:33 PMQuote from: Ian on May 27, 2016, 12:21:07 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 12:18:25 PMYou won't kill spiders but you want people to abort their unborn children? I would say his reasoning would be that spiders don't know any better? my reasoning is that spiders are already born, so you probably don't have an ethical right to harm them without a good reasonwhereas abortions, in my view, are basically giving unborn children a free ticket to eternal paradisekind of a big difference thereSpiders are also brainless, primal predators that are essentially organic robots. They don't love or hate, they just hunt, hide, breed, and explore.They literally do have brains thoNot technically, no. They have supraoesophageal ganglia, which act as a kind of brain, but they have no capability for thought of any kind. It's just for directing movement and such. supraoesophageal ganglia is Latin for spider brainYes, and a spider brain != a brain. It's a very informal brain; it let's them know when they're hungry, tired, and let's them move. You'd be more accurate to call it a complicated nervous system than a brainy animal. but a brain is just a complicated nervous system (or rather part of one)Calling an animal with as complex a nervous system as spiders have brainless is dumb. Not having emotions doesn't make something brainless https://books.google.com/books?id=478yAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=supraoesophageal+ganglia&source=bl&ots=JsVUXk6Dht&sig=Cr9o39i03mnefmyFMwvSeLKD2G0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKhty_6PrMAhUPfVIKHRZICfEQ6AEIVjANhttps://books.google.com/books?id=IaocAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=supraoesophageal+ganglia&source=bl&ots=z0a5HkZwoG&sig=YYJ-LnB5b2o_yce8qGQP_dJgzDw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiKhty_6PrMAhUPfVIKHRZICfEQ6AEIWDAO#v=onepage&q=supraoesophageal%20ganglia&f=falseThe ganglia are responsible for touch, smell sight, taste, and hearing. That's it, regulating senses. It is not a formal brain, it is not a complex cerebral organ like a dolphin's, or a dog's. The spider's ganglia (the equivalent of a brain) are literally just sensory regulators.Zero intellect, zero thought, just predator instinct. If it can't produce thought, it's brainless. nuh uh
I rarely see any in my house, I have a cat, you see.But I let them out.
Quote from: True Turquoise on May 27, 2016, 01:02:48 PMI rarely see any in my house, I have a cat, you see.But I let them out.There are two cats living in my house and I do more bug-catching than them combined. I feel sorry for them.
I'm Southern, not Cajun.
Quote from: True Turquoise on May 27, 2016, 01:02:48 PMI rarely see any in my house, I have a cat, you see.But I let them out.my cat doesn't like spiders, but he's GOAT at catching fliesflies are pretty scummy and worthless
since when did you start using GOAT?
flies are pretty scummy and worthless
Quote from: ⚡Tonnerre on May 27, 2016, 01:12:47 PMsince when did you start using GOAT?i may or may not have rubbed off you a little
Spiders that make their webs in places that are out of my way can stay. They eat all the moths and shit that like my house.If you make a Web beside my bed or you show up in my shower you're dead.
What's wrong with flies? Quote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 01:11:21 PMflies are pretty scummy and worthless
Quote from: Verbatim on May 27, 2016, 12:01:29 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 11:57:42 AMHouse spiders generally will die outside the house. It's like putting a lion raised in captivity out in the wild.i don't actually think it's that big of a deal, but i guess that would depend on what counts as a house spiderAnything that's lends towards the Grandaddy Long-Legs body type tends to be a house spider. Those and the really tiny spiders (sans wolf/jumping spider).
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 11:57:42 AMHouse spiders generally will die outside the house. It's like putting a lion raised in captivity out in the wild.i don't actually think it's that big of a deal, but i guess that would depend on what counts as a house spider
House spiders generally will die outside the house. It's like putting a lion raised in captivity out in the wild.
Lol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chord
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?
Quote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.
i let them out because i'm a good person like that
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:42:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.But while we may have a nose, we have no sense of smell without a brain.
Quote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:48:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:44:37 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:42:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.But while we may have a nose, we have no sense of smell without a brain.Right, which is why it governs the senses.I don't think govern is the right word
Quote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:44:37 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:42:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.But while we may have a nose, we have no sense of smell without a brain.Right, which is why it governs the senses.
Quote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:52:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:50:49 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:48:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:44:37 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:42:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.But while we may have a nose, we have no sense of smell without a brain.Right, which is why it governs the senses.I don't think govern is the right wordCoordinates, then.do you want my bearing too?
Quote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:50:49 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:48:56 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:44:37 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:42:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 27, 2016, 01:39:40 PMQuote from: Prime Kruphix on May 27, 2016, 01:25:47 PMQuote from: Tyger on May 27, 2016, 01:15:57 PMLol I'm just fucking with you dude The term brain is super poorly definedSome scientists don't consider anything a brain that isn't inside of a skull and attached to a spinal chordPersonally, I prefer to define it as the organ governing control of the senses and intellect.Govern? Isn't all that a "creation" of the brain?Rephrasing that: governs the senses and produces thought, making it responsible for intellect.But while we may have a nose, we have no sense of smell without a brain.Right, which is why it governs the senses.I don't think govern is the right wordCoordinates, then.
Do you kill spiders or let them out
