Do you dislike sports?

True Turquoise · February 27, 2015, 06:11:05 PM

No, I enjoy sports.

I was good at Rounders, Track events, Long jump and Basket Ball (Funnily enough)

Sandtrap · February 27, 2015, 06:12:50 PM

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Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

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There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

And. And don't even get me fucking started on the Competition=win at any cost mindset.

That's bullshit. Okay. We were primitive at some point. Competition was needed to survive. Back then it was a case of "win at any cost."

But now, now that we're supposedly intelligent, you'd think we'd be able to comptete without killing each other or fucking up our bodies with chemicals all to "win" a game of hockey or football?

Are you fucking kidding me with that shit?

Get fucking real here. It's not a fucking gladitorial arena it's a fucking ball.

A BALL.

If you want actual survival competition then fuck, open up to the death gladitorial arenas then.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 06:29:17 PM

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Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

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There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

Hockey fights are for a reason. You obviously don't know much about the sport.

Steroids had nothing to do with competition and everything to do with getting paid big bucks.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 06:30:05 PM

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Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.
Except if we didn't care as much as we do about stupid fucking sports, there would be less rioting.

Rioting? I think you mean celebration.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 06:31:02 PM

Also while I'm thinking about it.

Wouldn't it be sick if we still had gladiator matches? I'd go watch that everyday.

Mr. Psychologist · February 27, 2015, 06:39:03 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 06:31:02 PM

Also while I'm thinking about it.

Wouldn't it be sick if we still had gladiator matches? I'd go watch that everyday.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/unified-weapons-master-future-fighting/

Here's hoping, if this kicks off I'll be happy paying a premium to watch this shit.

gats · February 27, 2015, 06:42:07 PM

I like watching football in a group

Sandtrap · February 27, 2015, 06:49:30 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

Quote
There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

Hockey fights are for a reason. You obviously don't know much about the sport.

Steroids had nothing to do with competition and everything to do with getting paid big bucks.

YouTube

Yep. Okay. Beating the shit out of each other is part of the game on ice. Having actual deaths on the ice is about the sport. Look at the sense it makes. Yes there's contact.

But no, beating the shit out of each other on the ice is not part of the sport, because if it was, THEN WHY BOTHER WEARING PADDING AT THAT POINT.

And steroids? Well fuck, if it's all about the money then the competition obviosuly just fucked itself down the drain didn't it?

I honestly can't wrap my head around this shit. It doesn't make sense. There's competition. It's a natural thing. You compete, do your best, and then whatever the outcome, that's that. Sports these days endorse the wrong kind of competition, and if you want proof of that, look at the riots. Look at the drug abuse. Look at deaths on the field and unnecessary violence.

That's called stupid competion. It's unhealthy. Anything that results in that much pain, that much injury, and overall that much hassle, is stupid competition.

You can have competition without being a gladiator. Which is honestly what most sports these days seem like with half the players on the field out to beat the shit out of each other or maim one another.

May as well just drop the act and say fuck it.

We're still too stupid to have any semblance of normal, functioning people. Fuck it. To the death gladiator arenas. Stop beating around the bush and saying it's a mans sport and it's competitive when true competition is, as challenger puts it, win at any cost.

How about survive at any cost.

Tell ya what PSU.

Do something revolutionary. Clean up all these shitty sports and do something manly instead. Make a push for to the death gladitorial arenas.

TB · February 27, 2015, 06:59:12 PM

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Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

Quote
There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

Hockey fights are for a reason. You obviously don't know much about the sport.

Steroids had nothing to do with competition and everything to do with getting paid big bucks.

YouTube

Yep. Okay. Beating the shit out of each other is part of the game on ice. Having actual deaths on the ice is about the sport. Look at the sense it makes. Yes there's contact.

No, beating the shit out of each other on the ice is not part of the sport, because if it was, THEN WHY BOTHER WEARING PADDING AT THAT POINT.

And steroids? Well fuck, if it's all about the money then the competition obviosuly just fucked itself down the drain didn't it?

I honestly can't wrap my head around this shit. It doesn't make sense. There's competition. It's a natural thing. You compete, do your best, and then whatever the outcome, that's that. Sports these days endorse the wrong kind of competition, and if you want proof of that, look at the riots. Look at the drug abuse. Look at deaths on the field and unnecessary violence.

That's called stupid competion. It's unhealthy. Anything that results in that much pain, that much injury, and overall that much hassle, is stupid competition.

You can have competition without being a gladiator. Which is honestly what most sports these days seem like with half the players on the field out to beat the shit out of each other or maim one another.

May as well just drop the act and say fuck it.

We're still too stupid to have any semblance of normal, functioning people. Fuck it. To the death gladiator arenas. Stop beating around the bush and saying it's a mans sport and it's competitive when true competition is, as challenger puts it, win at any cost.

How about survive at any cost.

Tell ya what PSU.

Do something revolutionary. Clean up all these shitty sports and do something manly instead. Make a push for gladitorial arenas.

Sandtrap I have no idea what you mean. But I completely disagree with you.

challengerX · February 27, 2015, 07:00:05 PM

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Verbatim · February 27, 2015, 07:00:28 PM

Any system where it's your job to build yourself, build yourself, build yourself for months and months and months, training hard, straining yourself, risking serious injury, only to play in a competition where hundreds of players enter, and lose, WASTING all that heart and effort, is a broken system. For every winner, there are a hundred losers. And each one of those losers went through a fuck of a lot to win, and they lost. If you think think that's something that should continue, you're just a fucking moron. You're just too fucking stupid for words.

Verbatim · February 27, 2015, 07:04:07 PM

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That humans are stupid creatures? We all agree on this.

My argument is that humans are stupid, yes--that's the fundamental root of pretty much all of my beliefs--but it's my contention that we can be better than that. We can play chess, like Sandtrap said. Hell, we can even still play sports if we REALLY want to. If you wanna waste your life, risking serious injury, to the point where you might even paralyze yourself, you can go right ahead. Just don't fucking glamorize it or make it a fucking multibillion dollar industry.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 07:00:28 PM

Any system where it's your job to build yourself, build yourself, build yourself for months and months and months, training hard, straining yourself, risking serious injury, only to play in a competition where hundreds of players enter, and lose, WASTING all that heart and effort, is a broken system. For every winner, there are a hundred losers. And each one of those losers went through a fuck of a lot to win, and they lost. If you think think that's something that should continue, you're just a fucking moron. You're just too fucking stupid for words.

How about building youself for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS and then at the end there are 1000's of losers.

Its called the education system and job market.

Its not broken. And the only people who think that its broken, are the people who didn't work hard enough. The losers.

Septy · February 27, 2015, 07:09:30 PM

PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:10:46 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 27, 2015, 06:49:30 PM

YouTube

Yep. Okay. Beating the shit out of each other is part of the game on ice. Having actual deaths on the ice is about the sport. Look at the sense it makes. Yes there's contact.

But no, beating the shit out of each other on the ice is not part of the sport, because if it was, THEN WHY BOTHER WEARING PADDING AT THAT POINT.

And steroids? Well fuck, if it's all about the money then the competition obviosuly just fucked itself down the drain didn't it?

I honestly can't wrap my head around this shit. It doesn't make sense. There's competition. It's a natural thing. You compete, do your best, and then whatever the outcome, that's that. Sports these days endorse the wrong kind of competition, and if you want proof of that, look at the riots. Look at the drug abuse. Look at deaths on the field and unnecessary violence.

That's called stupid competion. It's unhealthy. Anything that results in that much pain, that much injury, and overall that much hassle, is stupid competition.

You can have competition without being a gladiator. Which is honestly what most sports these days seem like with half the players on the field out to beat the shit out of each other or maim one another.

May as well just drop the act and say fuck it.

We're still too stupid to have any semblance of normal, functioning people. Fuck it. To the death gladiator arenas. Stop beating around the bush and saying it's a mans sport and it's competitive when true competition is, as challenger puts it, win at any cost.

How about survive at any cost.

Tell ya what PSU.

Do something revolutionary. Clean up all these shitty sports and do something manly instead. Make a push for to the death gladitorial arenas.

Fighting in hockey is to defend your superstar players. To raise team morale and provide a boost. You can't just take shit, you have to stand up for yourself and your teammates in hockey.

As for the drug abuse and injuries, thats all for the money. But that is part of any job. You could work in a coal mine or work as a bomb technician, theres risks but you are also paid for taking those risks.

And like I said above, I would love to see gladiator matches these days. Have death row inmates fight to the death. I'd watch that shit any day of the week.

Sandtrap · February 27, 2015, 07:10:48 PM

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Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

Quote
There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

Hockey fights are for a reason. You obviously don't know much about the sport.

Steroids had nothing to do with competition and everything to do with getting paid big bucks.

YouTube

Yep. Okay. Beating the shit out of each other is part of the game on ice. Having actual deaths on the ice is about the sport. Look at the sense it makes. Yes there's contact.

No, beating the shit out of each other on the ice is not part of the sport, because if it was, THEN WHY BOTHER WEARING PADDING AT THAT POINT.

And steroids? Well fuck, if it's all about the money then the competition obviosuly just fucked itself down the drain didn't it?

I honestly can't wrap my head around this shit. It doesn't make sense. There's competition. It's a natural thing. You compete, do your best, and then whatever the outcome, that's that. Sports these days endorse the wrong kind of competition, and if you want proof of that, look at the riots. Look at the drug abuse. Look at deaths on the field and unnecessary violence.

That's called stupid competion. It's unhealthy. Anything that results in that much pain, that much injury, and overall that much hassle, is stupid competition.

You can have competition without being a gladiator. Which is honestly what most sports these days seem like with half the players on the field out to beat the shit out of each other or maim one another.

May as well just drop the act and say fuck it.

We're still too stupid to have any semblance of normal, functioning people. Fuck it. To the death gladiator arenas. Stop beating around the bush and saying it's a mans sport and it's competitive when true competition is, as challenger puts it, win at any cost.

How about survive at any cost.

Tell ya what PSU.

Do something revolutionary. Clean up all these shitty sports and do something manly instead. Make a push for gladitorial arenas.
Sandtrap I have no idea what you mean. But I completely disagree with you.

Then that's your call. The line is simple. Competition is fine. But the competition modern sports like to induce is ludicrous. There's competition that makes sense, and there's competition that doesn't.

I want you to stop and take a look this scenario. You're on the ice. You're playing a game of hockey. A rival player comes up to the back of you, and illegally lashes out at you with his stick, aimed right into the back of your neck. It snaps your neck and you're dead.

Imagine that. Imagine how stupid the other player had to be to do that. And for what? What reason? Give me a sane, logical explanation.

Give me a sane, logical explanation as to why the fuck players on the field feel the need to beat each other senseless over the competition of kicking or throwing a ball/puck.

Why the players feel the need to abuse drugs, not for the competition but for the money.

Why the fans demonstrate "loyalty" by rioting, to a team who has no loyalty because players trade hands like coins every year.

It's illogical. I live in a world of old men. I live in a world of stories. And the stories they've told me, of old sports, old hockey, it was nothing like today. Yeah, there was violence. People got hurt. Those things happen. But never the amount of violence you see today, even with all the rules, regulations, and padding.

It's absurd. I'm fine with sports. I've played sports in a competitive manner where the whole match was tense as fuck and everybody did their best, tried their best. And nobody had to beat the shit out of each other to play the game.

Remember that word?

Game.

We play games for our entertainment, watch games for entertainment. And clearly, all the bullshit that comes with modern day sports is what people OK nowadays. Well, put simply, fuck people. They want to beat the shit out of each other over a puck and a net? Well, may as well let them. Modern natural selection at work.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:13:45 PM

Its not just a game though. Its a multi-BILLION dollar business.

challengerX · February 27, 2015, 07:13:49 PM

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Verbatim · February 27, 2015, 07:15:24 PM

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How about building youself for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS and then at the end there are 1000's of losers.

Its called the education system and job market.

Its not broken. And the only people who think that its broken, are the people who didn't work hard enough. The losers.

My whole point is that there should be no winners OR losers. The entire concept of having a "winner" and a "loser" is fucktarded, unless there is no real cost involved. And with sports, the costs involved are absolutely extortionate in practically every single facet. Human suffering and cash money. Sports accomplish nothing in return. What did we gain when the Patriots won the Superbowl? The cure for cancer? The panacea for all life's troubles? No. It accomplished jackshit.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:17:22 PM

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How about building youself for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS and then at the end there are 1000's of losers.

Its called the education system and job market.

Its not broken. And the only people who think that its broken, are the people who didn't work hard enough. The losers.
My whole point is that there should be no winners OR losers. The entire concept of having a "winner" and a "loser" is fucktarded, unless there is no real cost involved. And with sports, the costs involved are absolutely extortionate in practically every single facet. Human suffering and cash money. Sports accomplish nothing in return. What did we gain when the Patriots won the Superbowl? The cure for cancer? The panacea for all life's troubles? No. It accomplished jackshit.

What did we gain? Well we had entertainment.

But what did the Pats and the NFL gain? Billions of dollars.

Every player knows what the risks are. And every player knows how tough it is to make it to the pros. Even to college. But imo its 100% worth it.

Naoto · February 27, 2015, 07:19:23 PM

Only really big on college football. Though I can usually watch NBA or NFL if its a group thing.

DAS B00T x2 · February 27, 2015, 07:19:34 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on February 27, 2015, 07:10:48 PM

We play games for our entertainment, watch games for entertainment. And clearly, all the bullshit that comes with modern day sports is what people OK nowadays. Well, put simply, fuck people. They want to beat the shit out of each other over a puck and a net? Well, may as well let them. Modern natural selection at work.

Ice hockey was a lot more brutal back in the day, bruh.
Nowadays puck handling and finesse seems to win more games.

obligatory FUCK SIDNEY CROSBY comment

Sandtrap · February 27, 2015, 07:21:17 PM

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Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.
Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?
Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.
No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.
That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."
Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

Quote
There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.
There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.
It's dishonorable and unsportsmanlike.

You can play for fun and have some friendly competition.

Of course that's unhealthy. It's not true competition.

That's a crock of shit and you know it. In fact it's on oxymoron.

You call it dishonorable and unsportsmanlike but then do a 180 and say it's not true competition.

"Competition in biology, ecology, and sociology, is a contest between organisms, animals, individuals, groups, etc., for territory, a niche, or a location of resources, for resources and goods, mates, for prestige, recognition, awards, or group or social status, for leadership."

That's the internet term for competition. Wikipedia. If Wiki's not a credible source then I'll break out a paper dictionary for you. That definition can encompass just about anything. A race with a friend. A game of darts. Archery. Who can lift the most. Anything really.

So. Your term?

"True Competition?"

It's macho bullshit. There is no true competition. That's an illusion. And that's what's disfunctional about sports. The macho bullshit, the "I'm a big man on the field" attitude.

Give me a fucking break.

Verbatim · February 27, 2015, 07:21:47 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 07:17:22 PM

What did we gain? Well we had entertainment.

But what did the Pats and the NFL gain? Billions of dollars.

For a useless game that accomplishes nothing of substance. Entertainment is worth nothing. We have enough fucking mindless entertainments already. And if one form of entertainment involves the physical extortion of efforts, all for a frivolous game, it's not worth it. It's not worth it at all.

Naoto · February 27, 2015, 07:24:37 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 07:21:47 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
What did we gain? Well we had entertainment.

But what did the Pats and the NFL gain? Billions of dollars.
For a useless game that accomplishes nothing of substance. Entertainment is worth nothing. We have enough fucking mindless entertainments already. And if one form of entertainment involves the physical extortion of efforts, all for a frivolous game, it's not worth it. It's not worth it at all.

You must be a blast at parties.

PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:26:00 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 07:21:47 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
What did we gain? Well we had entertainment.

But what did the Pats and the NFL gain? Billions of dollars.
For a useless game that accomplishes nothing of substance. Entertainment is worth nothing. We have enough fucking mindless entertainments already. And if one form of entertainment involves the physical extortion of efforts, all for a frivolous game, it's not worth it. It's not worth it at all.

Its not just a game and Its absolutely worth it.

Not everyone is going to be a doctor and try to find the cure for cancer. People have different skills.

Verbatim · February 27, 2015, 07:29:49 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 07:26:00 PM

Not everyone is going to be a doctor and try to find the cure for cancer. People have different skills.

And everyone can do something useful with those skills. Right now, I would argue that what I'm doing right now, arguing, that's a skill that I have, and I'm putting it to use through talking to people over the Internet. That's the tiny little difference that I'm trying to make with that particular skill. And that little skill alone is more productive than all the Superbowls and all the World Series combined.

challengerX · February 27, 2015, 07:32:17 PM

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PSU · February 27, 2015, 07:35:01 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 07:29:49 PM

Quote from: PSU on February 27, 2015, 07:26:00 PM
Not everyone is going to be a doctor and try to find the cure for cancer. People have different skills.
And everyone can do something useful with those skills. Right now, I would argue that what I'm doing right now, arguing, that's a skill that I have, and I'm putting it to use through talking to people over the Internet. That's the tiny little difference that I'm trying to make with that particular skill. And that little skill alone is more productive than all the Superbowls and all the World Series combined.

Is debate an important trait? Yes. So yes you do have a useful skill.

You're internet arguing is more productive than SuperBowls and World Series' ever? Lol no chance.

Because I'd argue those 2 things accomplish far more than you arguing on the internet. Its not just about the trophy or the money. Its about the experiences. Without sports, many people wouldn't get an education. Me personally, the superbowl's and world series' have allowed me to travel all over the USA to places where I otherwise wouldnt. I've gained friends just from going to SuperBowls. I've bonded in priceless ways with my father and other family members because of these sporting events. All of these benefits.