It didn't make sense to me since free speech is already guaranteed in our constitution.But, thinking logically, the one thing that would scare the data-mining cabal the most is an articulated right to privacy when using the internet.No more data mining for ads. No more algorithms screwing up how we communicate with others on Facebook. No more capturing my favorite soda to sell to a competitor who might want to make me buy something else.Also, and really important to me, is the right to be forgotten. It's already been adjudicated in Britain. Here's a bit of the detail:https://www.theguardian. com/technology/2013/apr/04/britain-opt-out-right-to-be-forgotten-lawWe should have a right to disappear.So if this continues to be a thing, think of it way beyond being censored for free speech. Think of it in terms of privacy, too. No more selling personal information. No more dedicated IPs to track your every move. No more email apps that pre-select your possible replies, because no more email being mined.Mail could be configured with the same privacy rights as US mail, for example.Last I'll post on this one. But if it goes forward, please consider expanding the scope.Also keep in mind that there's more than the WH petition site to make your ideas known. Most of us have senators and congressmen to represent us in Washington, D.C. Maybe talk to a real person?
Its not like my FBI buddy Tom is going to stop watching me.
as a staunch constitutionalist, I don't recognize any perceived "right to privacy"
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on March 15, 2018, 08:23:53 PMas a staunch constitutionalist, I don't recognize any perceived "right to privacy"I believe unreasonable search and seizure covers it.
Is there any actually major evidence for the whole "conservatives are facing institutional persecution online" narrative?
Quote from: Aether on March 16, 2018, 09:20:32 AMQuote from: Flee on March 16, 2018, 03:38:28 AMIs there any actually major evidence for the whole "conservatives are facing institutional persecution online" narrative? I don't necessarily believe it's conservatives, but rather people who speak out against or pose some threat to "the establishment" or the values it espouses. I have seen people on both the right and the left, as well as centrist types face censorship/demonetization online. What links them together is they they seem to be critical of mainstream media, government, or those with institutional power. The left just holds more of that power right now when it comes to tech, so it would make sense that those on the right would be more inclined to criticize.Although, youtube did admit to banning right-wingers recently, though they claim it was a mistake made by the new staff they hired to police content on their platform. What I would like to know is who exactly did they hire that felt it was acceptable to censor/suspend channels for being right-leaning?That's not really evidence though. What links these channels together perhaps more than their anti-establishment attitude (something I already think is way too broad of a statement) is their propensity for fake news, aggressive rhetoric, inflammatory approach to controversial topics and "dangerous or extreme" content violating YouTube's ToS. Youtube is a business and advertising is hugely important to it. Demonenitization isn't so much a punishment of censorship of the right as it is a message of "hey, our advertisers and investors don't want their name attached to a video entitled 'liberal morons cucked & Hillary for prison for faking school shootings' so we'll be disabling monetization on it". Of course, mistakes will be made, but I have yet to see any decent proof of what you argue. I'm also skeptical of the notion that these companies employing tens of thousands of people are actively persecuting "the anti's" without there being any more proof of that.
Quote from: Flee on March 16, 2018, 03:38:28 AMIs there any actually major evidence for the whole "conservatives are facing institutional persecution online" narrative? I don't necessarily believe it's conservatives, but rather people who speak out against or pose some threat to "the establishment" or the values it espouses. I have seen people on both the right and the left, as well as centrist types face censorship/demonetization online. What links them together is they they seem to be critical of mainstream media, government, or those with institutional power. The left just holds more of that power right now when it comes to tech, so it would make sense that those on the right would be more inclined to criticize.Although, youtube did admit to banning right-wingers recently, though they claim it was a mistake made by the new staff they hired to police content on their platform. What I would like to know is who exactly did they hire that felt it was acceptable to censor/suspend channels for being right-leaning?
Quote from: Aether on March 16, 2018, 10:24:28 AMI'm really uncertain as to what you believe I'm arguing. Well, the link in the OP basically states that conservatives are being persecuted and censored just for having right leaning views. I asked for supporting evidence and you responded by saying it's not necessarily conservatives but instead those who speak out against the establishment. Apologies if I interpreted that incorrectly or maybe you didn't read the text of the petition itself, but I think it stands to reason that your response across as you agreeing with the notion in the OP (institutionalized and organized measures taken against a group of people) only now for the anti-establishment folks instead of just conservatives. My bad for missing your point but the way you responded did give the impression that you largely agreed with the part of the text I referred to.
I'm really uncertain as to what you believe I'm arguing.
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