Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.
Your argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.To you, that's the point being made. There is nothing wrong with two people of the same sex kissing, but there are people who find it to be creepy and disgusting. It's homophobia, just as you claiming to vomit in disgust at the sight of a transperson would be transphobic. Know what I'm saying?
To any rational person.
Putting homosexuality and transgenderism on the same level is comparing apples to oranges.
Quote from: CIS Scum on January 19, 2015, 10:06:42 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character. Liking and identifying with a character and changing your sex aren't comparable whatsoever.
I'm not outright calling you transphobic, by the way-- just pointing out that, unless you genuinely are, you are unintentionally painting yourself in that light.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Quote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:07:37 PMQuote from: CIS Scum on January 19, 2015, 10:06:42 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character. Liking and identifying with a character and changing your sex aren't comparable whatsoever.Being trans isn't something that's detestable or concerning. Being in love with a fictional cartoon character is pathetic and laughable.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:07:55 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.To you, that's the point being made. There is nothing wrong with two people of the same sex kissing, but there are people who find it to be creepy and disgusting. It's homophobia, just as you claiming to vomit in disgust at the sight of a transperson would be transphobic. Know what I'm saying?I know what you're saying, but it's illogical. Post op transgenders objectively look more disgusting than a simple kiss. That's not a phobia, that's an observation.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.Letting a sick person believe he's not sick, and refusing to help him, is unethical.
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.
I'm not lying. You're born the way you're born. Whether you're black, gay, autistic, or transgender, you can't help what cards you're dealt. What you can do is work to better yourself. And submitting to your mental disorder isn't bettering yourself, it's making the situation worse. If you're unlucky enough to be born as a TG, I have nothing but sympathy for you until you decide to be an idiot and worsen your condition.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
Quote from: SexyPiranha on January 19, 2015, 10:02:48 PMIf you feel like a girl you can be a girl, and vice versa.Now, what about people like me? I feel like a robot and the fact that I can't be a robot is seriously triggering me right now.Big robot booty
If you feel like a girl you can be a girl, and vice versa.Now, what about people like me? I feel like a robot and the fact that I can't be a robot is seriously triggering me right now.
Ad hominem.
Quote from: CIS Scum on January 19, 2015, 10:11:04 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:07:37 PMQuote from: CIS Scum on January 19, 2015, 10:06:42 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:03:56 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:01:52 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:59:42 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 09:57:58 PMYour argument could have benefited without that addition, it really doesn't help put your stance in a positive or non-bigoted light of the subject.It's important to note, as it does actually affect others.As do homsexuals showing gestures of affection in public places. That's called homophobia. Are you admitting to being transphobic, or was that unintentional?Two men kissing isn't inherently disgusting. Grown men pretending to be girls is, and also pretty creepy.Do you know what's far more creepy? Being infatuated with a fictional cartoon character. Liking and identifying with a character and changing your sex aren't comparable whatsoever.Being trans isn't something that's detestable or concerning. Being in love with a fictional cartoon character is pathetic and laughable.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:09:26 PMI'm not outright calling you transphobic, by the way-- just pointing out that, unless you genuinely are, you are unintentionally painting yourself in that light.If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does have bearing, because it shows how valid anything anything you say in this thread is. That's like asking a Nazi his opinion of Israel or the KKK their opinion of black people and using that as a serious argument.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:09:26 PMI'm not outright calling you transphobic, by the way-- just pointing out that, unless you genuinely are, you are unintentionally painting yourself in that light.If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.
Why do I keep coming back here...? lol
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:16:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.
could you honestly not argue with a racist about it?
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