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I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault.
I'm apparently autistic for not wanting to be either gender, so, I guess that means I literally can't grasp it. Explain it to me like I actually am younger than you, then.
Okay, I'll try.

Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.

While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice.


 
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Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp
You're literally doing the same thing, though.
Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is. There's a big difference between religious dogma and medical help.


 
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Homosexuality isn't a birth defect,
It can be.


 
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Okay, I'll try.

Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.

While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice.
You could make the same argument for homosexuality. You sound like a Christian fundy right now.


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It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.


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Okay, I'll try.

Some people are born with mental disorders.
A subset of mental disorders is delusional disorders.
It's unethical to stand idly by and allow someone affected by a mental disorder to live out their delusions. You should do something to help.

While TGs undoubtedly have every right to change their gender, that doesn't make it an intelligent or good choice.
You could make the same argument for homosexuality. You sound like a Christian fundy right now.
Transgenderism and homosexuality are two completely different things, that require completely different responses. Cmon, even you can understand this.


 
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Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is.
Sagacious knowledge from the eighteen-year-old pothead layman.

Oh, sorry, that's ad hominem. How rude of me.

I would love to see your evidence for that highly quantifiable and demonstrable statement.


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It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But they don't have the brain of Kind Richard III.


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Homosexuality isn't a birth defect, transgenderism is.
Sagacious knowledge from the eighteen-year-old pothead layman.

Oh, sorry, that's ad hominem. How rude of me.

I would love to see your evidence for that highly quantifiable and demonstrable statement.
Use logic. All homosexuality does is make you attracted to the other sex. Big deal. Transgenderism makes you believe that you're something you're objectively not. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.


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Use logic. All homosexuality does is make you attracted to the other sex. Big deal. Transgenderism makes you believe that you're something you're objectively not. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
All transgenderism does is make you think you're the opposite gender. Big deal. Homosexuality makes you think that you're sexually attracted to something that you objectively shouldn't be. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.

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if any retards happen to be reading this post, i'm playing the devil's advocate right now
i don't actually think there's anything wrong with being gay
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All transgenderism does is make you think you're the opposite gender. Big deal. Homosexuality makes you think that you're sexually attracted to something that you objectively shouldn't be. That's a mental disorder, caused by a birth defect.
It is.


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It is.
you know, if gender actually mattered

maybe i'd be with you

but seeing as how it doesn't (or at least, shouldn't)...


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As such, the Serious Board's Rules apply here.

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Woah woah woah. Hold on.

Did this thread get moved to serious? With my post as the topic?

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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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It's just immoral.
I'm not going to get into a debate with you but you have a strange definition of morality.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Alright alright fine.
What exactly is unhealthy about it if they're normal functioning people that blend in to normal society and are happy?
They're living a lie. They're pretending to be something they're not. If someone truly believed that they were King Richard III, would you encourage him to live out that life? Or would you recommend him a therapist? Probably the latter.
But there's a difference between thinking you're an already existing person and living as the opposite sex, isn't there? Seems like a silly comparison, especially considering how in utero we all had a 50/50 chance of ending up either male to female. Or...on the off chance, something different.

i.e. XXX, X, XXY, XYY, etc
Because you know, they exist.

Not only that, but it's medically proven that in rare cases there is the possibility of mind and body from a gender standpoint being out of alignment because they form separately and on rare occasions during fetal development receive different amounts of sex hormones.

It's rare but it's a natural occurrence. Call it a defect or whatever, but these people aren't diseased or delusional.
If you're born as a man, that's what you are. No matter how much you whine about it on the Internet, you will never be a woman. And if you go to the lengths to get reassignment surgery, you're still not a woman. You're an idiot who tried to fuck with nature and change what can't be changed. It's disgusting, inhumane, and generally unpleasant. Of course, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want with your body, but that doesn't make it smart to do so.


 
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Woah woah woah. Hold on.

Did this thread get moved to serious? With my post as the topic?
you are the mediator, after all  ;)


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Pro tip: do not discuss trans* issues on the internet unless you're someplace that wont shit all over you. Sep7agon, Bungie, and the like are no such places.
Any place where transgenderism is seen as a social movement is a place that shouldn't exist.


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Woah woah woah. Hold on.

Did this thread get moved to serious? With my post as the topic?
you are the mediator, after all  ;)
I was just taken aback, that's all. Didn't see it coming.


 
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This is giving me cancer anyway. I had a project to finish tonight, and everything.

I might come back, but probably not, because... I'm not gonna able to remain civil about this.
And Class is like, completely alone on this issue, and I feel like we're all ganging up on him, so.
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Any place where transgenderism is seen as a social movement is a place that shouldn't exist.
Case in point.


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Fuck. Now this shit is in Serious?

God damn it.

Icy pls.