Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:38:49 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:34:31 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:31:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:26:08 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:20:31 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.I know it is, that's what I've been talking to Verb about. And while destigmatizing people who suffer from these disorders is nice, it's not addressing the real root of the problem. Because of the whole social movement on behalf of TGs, and the fact that it's "bigotry" to see it as a disease, no real progress can be made on finding a medical solution. I know that there are currently other options, though, than fucking up your body in a vain and gross attempt to change what you can't.I'd just like you to consider that Tumblr is an extremist view of the subject. And what other options are there? If you mean psychoanalysis, that's required to begin the hormone therapy in the first place. That way people who are just seeking a form of escapism don't commit rash and permanent changes to themselves.Psychoanalysis, therapy, and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have it. People who go that route have my respect. Not those who foolishly indulge a serious delusion.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:34:31 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:31:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:26:08 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:20:31 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.I know it is, that's what I've been talking to Verb about. And while destigmatizing people who suffer from these disorders is nice, it's not addressing the real root of the problem. Because of the whole social movement on behalf of TGs, and the fact that it's "bigotry" to see it as a disease, no real progress can be made on finding a medical solution. I know that there are currently other options, though, than fucking up your body in a vain and gross attempt to change what you can't.I'd just like you to consider that Tumblr is an extremist view of the subject. And what other options are there? If you mean psychoanalysis, that's required to begin the hormone therapy in the first place. That way people who are just seeking a form of escapism don't commit rash and permanent changes to themselves.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:31:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:26:08 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:20:31 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.I know it is, that's what I've been talking to Verb about. And while destigmatizing people who suffer from these disorders is nice, it's not addressing the real root of the problem. Because of the whole social movement on behalf of TGs, and the fact that it's "bigotry" to see it as a disease, no real progress can be made on finding a medical solution. I know that there are currently other options, though, than fucking up your body in a vain and gross attempt to change what you can't.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:26:08 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:20:31 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.Transgenderism is also a birth defect (as far as we currently know). The "movement" is to attempt to remove misconceptions and de-stigmatize people who suffer from it. Like someone who is intersex, they are limited in options of fixing their problem. I'm quite certain that if there were an actual, reliable way to remove or alleviate the problem outside of SRS then most transgendered persons would opt for it. But there isn't outside of doing nothing, and doing nothing isn't a solution. It's ignoring the problem.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:20:31 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.Oh, I thought you were talking about something else. What you're talking about is just a birth defect, plain and simple. No need to have a whole social movement around it.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:19:03 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.Intersex isn't a gender identification, Class.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:18:12 PMWhat do you all think of intersex people?Any gender identification outside male and female is laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously.
What do you all think of intersex people?
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.
If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:40:20 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:39:04 PMI'm talking about damage to the individual.You fucking hypocrite.You fucking pot-smoking goddamn fucking hypocrite.If you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:39:04 PMI'm talking about damage to the individual.You fucking hypocrite.You fucking pot-smoking goddamn fucking hypocrite.
I'm talking about damage to the individual.
I'd consider it pretty immoral to let a sufferer of a disease believe that he's healthy instead of actually trying to help him.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.
Er...do you know the difference between the two? Just curious.
Then it appears that this is more a misunderstanding. You aren't disagreeing with transgendered persons taking steps to fix the issue by undergoing hormone therapy or SRS, you are talking about Tumblrfag special snowflakes.
...and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have it
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.More for crossdressers than transfolk...
otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal it
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:44:16 PM...and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have itUnintentionally says something not completely retarded. GG
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:48:46 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.More for crossdressers than transfolk...Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:49:25 PMotherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal itThis blows my GODDAMN mind.Men who are comfortable with being women should learn to like being men. Because: Reasons.Reminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:51:25 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:48:46 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.More for crossdressers than transfolk...Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.No, definitely not.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:52:16 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:51:25 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:48:46 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.More for crossdressers than transfolk...Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.No, definitely not.Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.
If you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself.
Quote from: Groot on January 19, 2015, 08:51:14 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:44:16 PM...and hormone injections are all great ways to intelligently deal with the disorder, if you have itUnintentionally says something not completely retarded. GGJust to be clear, I'm talking about hormone injections to correct your disorder and get you back to the gender you were born as.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:53:52 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:52:16 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:51:25 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 19, 2015, 08:48:46 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:46:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:42:50 PMIf you think that trying to fuck up your body with senseless surgery is as damaging as smoking weed, there's not much left to argue about. You're too far gone.AWESOME, because that's not the fucking subject. It's transgenderism, not transexualism.The title of the thread refers to traps, yo. That's slang for tranny. Tranny = changed your gender.More for crossdressers than transfolk...Ah, whatever. They're pretty much in the same ballpark, anyway.No, definitely not.Yes, definitely so. They're both GID sufferers who are choosing to embrace their delusion rather than attempt to heal themselves. Either way, idiots.A crossdresser is just someone who wears the opposite sex's clothes. That's all.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:53:12 PMIf you're a man who wants to be a woman, that's bad in and of itself.You have failed conclusively to demonstrate precisely why that may be. I summarily discard your proposition with contempt.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 08:46:35 PMThen it appears that this is more a misunderstanding. You aren't disagreeing with transgendered persons taking steps to fix the issue by undergoing hormone therapy or SRS, you are talking about Tumblrfag special snowflakes.I'm talking about those who:a) undergo gender reassignment surgeryb) otherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal itIf you have GID, but are trying to overcome it, I have nothing but respect for you.
I've explained to you literally four times exactly why that is, but I guess you just can't grasp it. Not my fault.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 08:51:53 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:49:25 PMotherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal itReminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.That's a perfect comparison, actually. Because it's literally the exact same kind of thing.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 08:49:25 PMotherwise embrace their delusion instead of trying to heal itReminds me of those Christian camps that are supposed to heal homosexuality.
Quote from: Icy on January 19, 2015, 08:56:29 PMThis thread is an A+ shitfest.I dropped a match and it turned into a forest fire...
This thread is an A+ shitfest.
Mental ward =/= brainwashing camp
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