At Marvel, they have worked admirably to create a franchise out of what they were left with in terms of properties, but that can't continue forever. Just look at the statistics, the merchandising sales for Spider-Man were some 3 or 4 times that of every single MCU character. That is the difference between A-list and everything beneath it, even through Iron Man and Cap were B-list. As Marvel digs themselves deeper and deeper into their stock of properties, their situation will become just that: a hole they cannot climb out of. The increasing lack of iconography to their characters means they will resort to the same tired formulas of plot and characterization to hope for the same success for new characters as old ones, something audiences will get bored of. Sure Guardians shows any character can be a success with the right marketing, but those characters were moreso tropes to fit in a team dynamic than ones with depth. There's no simple stereotype to be applied to a character like Black Panther or Captain Marvel, they actually have to try. Many people already are getting tired of the commonalities of Marvel films like the poor villains, macguffin plots, poor (literally interchangeable; see: Wright) directing, forced characterizations, etc. so there's no way they'd accept that keep accepting that in the future and Marvel hasn't shown they can do anything else. This explains their desperation to get even guys like the Fantastic Four back since at least people recognize them. They know their efforts can only go so far with characters audiences don't even have in their peripheral vision.Meanwhile at DC, they own every single one of their properties. Sure there have been some real shitshows like Green Lantern or Jonah Hex, but now with this new cinematic universe they are more focused creatively and financially than they ever have been. They now have a real vision for these films, and moreover Oscar-winning talent at WB to back it up. Hell, WB basically invented the comic book movie genre and are primed to retake it. Speaking of iconography, the Dark Knight trilogy and Man of Steel show that these immortal characters in the DC lineup are ones that audiences actually want to see done well. Those Batman films made a billions (also Batman merchandising sales are 2 or 3 times higher than the whole MCU) and Man of Steel's divisive reception shows to me more than anything the respect people have for these characters and the desire they have to see them on screen and done well. With the slate of DC movies, people will go see them because they want to see these characters, unlike with Marvel where they go just because it's a Marvel movie and they hope for the best. The latter's good will/humor from Guardians can only old for so long (just imagine an Iron Man 2 level film but with a new property, everyone would despise it and that character would never be seen again). Snyder and company have definitly learned form Man of Steel the boundaries they have in front of them, and they will only grow and improve moving forward (proof: David Goyer is gone). I have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.
I'm just hoping that the Justice League movies that are gonna come out don't suck ass.
Quote from: Jono on December 03, 2014, 02:49:09 PMI'm just hoping that the Justice League movies that are gonna come out don't suck ass.I'm not gonna lie, I'm a bit skeptical at the pace they're going which makes it seem like they just want to catch up with Marvel as quickly as possible. But then again, maybe the Marvel method of characterization isn't the be all and end all on how to develop a melting pot of strong characters.
I feel DC is better off the big screen
which is where Marvel excels.
Quote from: IcyWind on December 03, 2014, 03:00:27 PMI feel DC is better off the big screenQuotewhich is where Marvel excels.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 03, 2014, 02:51:17 PMQuote from: Jono on December 03, 2014, 02:49:09 PMI'm just hoping that the Justice League movies that are gonna come out don't suck ass.I'm not gonna lie, I'm a bit skeptical at the pace they're going which makes it seem like they just want to catch up with Marvel as quickly as possible. But then again, maybe the Marvel method of characterization isn't the be all and end all on how to develop a melting pot of strong characters.The DCAU beats Marvel's IMO. Batman Beyond, Justice League, and Justice League: Unlimited are the best. I hear good things about Young Justice but haven't seen it yet.
I have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.
Man of Steel says hi.
I don't agree with the OP at all. Did Batman kick Marvel's ass? Yeah, it did. But Superman and Batman are DC's only real heavyweights. Audiences don't give a shit about Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and fucking Aquaman.
DC is clearly playing catch up with Marvel,
and this rapid-fire list of movies
that will be coming out every year pretty soon looks extremely rushed and I have doubts about how they can weave the story together.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 03, 2014, 03:04:09 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 03, 2014, 03:00:27 PMI feel DC is better off the big screenQuotewhich is where Marvel excels.Man of Steel says hi.I don't agree with the OP at all. Did Batman kick Marvel's ass? Yeah, it did. But Superman and Batman are DC's only real heavyweights. Audiences don't give a shit about Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and fucking Aquaman.DC is clearly playing catch up with Marvel, and this rapid-fire list of movies that will be coming out every year pretty soon looks extremely rushed and I have doubts about how they can weave the story together.
Just a little example of how fantastic DC's screenwriters can be.YouTube
QuoteI have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.I have zero doubt in my mind that this guy is insane.
90s Captain America pre Marvel domination says hi back.
Quote from: Cheat on December 03, 2014, 03:14:41 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on December 03, 2014, 03:04:09 PMQuote from: IcyWind on December 03, 2014, 03:00:27 PMI feel DC is better off the big screenQuotewhich is where Marvel excels.Man of Steel says hi.I don't agree with the OP at all. Did Batman kick Marvel's ass? Yeah, it did. But Superman and Batman are DC's only real heavyweights. Audiences don't give a shit about Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and fucking Aquaman.DC is clearly playing catch up with Marvel, and this rapid-fire list of movies that will be coming out every year pretty soon looks extremely rushed and I have doubts about how they can weave the story together.No one cared much for Iron Man or Thor either until Marvel backed them up with a few hundred mil and handsome actors. J'onn J'onnz, John Stewart, Wally West (though I guess they'd use Barry Allen for the cinematic Flash,) and Wonder Woman all have great potential to be fan favorites. DC has years of fantastic storytelling experience (just look at the animated universe,) tons of money, top tier actors, and a devoted fanbase. I think there's a very strong chance that DC will not only match Marvel's new universe, but outdo it, all things considered.
Quote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 03:16:36 PMQuoteI have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.I have zero doubt in my mind that this guy is insane.MoS made half a billion dude.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 03, 2014, 03:23:25 PM90s Captain America pre Marvel domination says hi back.If we're going to make comparisons, let's at least keep them relevant, shall we? Not compare 2012 modern movies to 1990's cartoons.
Quote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 03:16:36 PMQuoteI have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.I have zero doubt in my mind that this guy is insane.MoS made half a billion dude. Combine that with the fact that two of the most iconic superheroes are going to be duking it out on the big screen for the first time could definitely give the MCU a run for its money, quite literally.
Quote from: Madman Mordo on December 03, 2014, 03:25:34 PMQuote from: GodspeedSnowjira! on December 03, 2014, 03:16:36 PMQuoteI have zero doubt in my mind that Batman v Superman will outgross Avengers and Age of Ultron.I have zero doubt in my mind that this guy is insane.MoS made half a billion dude.In total, or at the Box Office?Because here...#3: The Avengers with $623,279,547#51: Man of Steel with $291,021,565Yeah, the Dark Night is up there, but as are individual Marvel Movies.
Quote from: Azumarill on December 03, 2014, 03:23:32 PMJust a little example of how fantastic DC's screenwriters can be.YouTubeDid not know you were into DC! COTE was spectacular.
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DC could overtake Marvel in the movie industry, and here's why
