Quote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 08:27:48 PMReminder that starving to death isn't more pleasant than being shot.Obviously.But hunters aren't shooting the animals that are starving to death, they're shooting the ones that are big, that would look nice on their wall, that have the most meat.
Reminder that starving to death isn't more pleasant than being shot.
Quote from: Snake on July 29, 2015, 08:34:49 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 08:27:48 PMReminder that starving to death isn't more pleasant than being shot.Obviously.But hunters aren't shooting the animals that are starving to death, they're shooting the ones that are big, that would look nice on their wall, that have the most meat.Yeah, the ones that consume more than others. But that doesn't change that if we didn't hunt, deer would starve in troves.
Quote from: XSEAN on July 29, 2015, 08:19:05 PMUn my rifle is good up to 3/4 of a mile or 1.2 km/h. My scope is very high with a 16 magnification zoom. I am shooting no more then at 200 yards at most and while stationary lying down and breath controls my shot go where I am them to go. .303 rifle round has enough punch to kill the target.Who gives a shit? It's still not an instant kill, I guarantee it.Like, you realise how precise you have to be to euthanise an animal, right?QuoteYou may have sniping experiences from a *video game* but in the real world it's alot more accurate depending on hunter experience. I will openly admit not all 100% of my shots are bull eye. Are you fucking high.It's far more difficult to snipe in real life. I've done it before, I would know. That jab at my credibility isn't fooling anyone.
Un my rifle is good up to 3/4 of a mile or 1.2 km/h. My scope is very high with a 16 magnification zoom. I am shooting no more then at 200 yards at most and while stationary lying down and breath controls my shot go where I am them to go. .303 rifle round has enough punch to kill the target.
You may have sniping experiences from a *video game* but in the real world it's alot more accurate depending on hunter experience. I will openly admit not all 100% of my shots are bull eye.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 08:36:36 PMQuote from: Snake on July 29, 2015, 08:34:49 PMQuote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 08:27:48 PMReminder that starving to death isn't more pleasant than being shot.Obviously.But hunters aren't shooting the animals that are starving to death, they're shooting the ones that are big, that would look nice on their wall, that have the most meat.Yeah, the ones that consume more than others. But that doesn't change that if we didn't hunt, deer would starve in troves.Until, you know, the population stabilises. It wouldn't be an issue if we didn't hunt in the first place.
And even then, if we didn't hunt, we would also stop artificially increasing the population. It would balance out.
Quote from: Snake on July 29, 2015, 08:44:56 PMAnd even then, if we didn't hunt, we would also stop artificially increasing the population. It would balance out.look at that tasty
You obviously suck at hunting IRL.
It is a insta kill if you know where the fucking shoot.
I am saying you probably have sniping experience from COD.
You're just talking out of you ass on a subject you no shit all about.
Go back to your Peta freaks and go save mouse or something
Again, I possess a conscience.
uh no, environmental influences can lead to increases in population. for example: a wet year that fostsers a large food supply leads to a low mortality rate for first year fawns, the following year, there is a harsh winter that kills a large amount of crop. The excess population then is reduced by deaths by starvation as their is not enough crop to support both the excess from last year and this year's newborns.
how do you pretend to know ecological systems if you think that populations ever remain at an equilibrium.
Quote from: Snake on July 29, 2015, 08:51:30 PM Again, I possess a conscience. Get the fuck over yourself.
Quote from: XSEAN on July 29, 2015, 08:46:08 PMYou obviously suck at hunting IRL.That's because I don't hunt IRL. Again, I possess a conscience. QuoteIt is a insta kill if you know where the fucking shoot.Sure, but I doubt you hit that mark even 5 times out of 10. And even if you did, it still wouldn't make it ethical.QuoteI am saying you probably have sniping experience from COD.I know what the fuck you're saying. Not only is it baseless, it's also fucking wrong. QuoteYou're just talking out of you ass on a subject you no shit all about.Yeah, I know nothing about hunting or animal welfare. That's why I'm a vegan, because I don't know what I'm talking about.Like, do you honestly think I would change my entire life if I wasn't 100% convinced that what you're doing is fucking wrong? It's not a sport, it's not a pastime -- it's fucking murder masquerading as a hobby. You're not cool, or tough. You're a fucking coward.QuoteGo back to your Peta freaks and go save mouse or somethingI don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you. It's clear you don't possess the intellectual qualifications for this conversation.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 08:47:47 PMuh no, environmental influences can lead to increases in population. for example: a wet year that fostsers a large food supply leads to a low mortality rate for first year fawns, the following year, there is a harsh winter that kills a large amount of crop. The excess population then is reduced by deaths by starvation as their is not enough crop to support both the excess from last year and this year's newborns.So you're solution is simply to pretend that it's okay to kill these animals because "well, they're going to die anyway!"Surely you see the folly in that.Quotehow do you pretend to know ecological systems if you think that populations ever remain at an equilibrium.I don't think that. I'm simply saying that nature would return to how it was before we got involved. Yeah, nature is fucked. Not much we can do about it. Especially when we artificially increase population size to appease these hunters and increase revenue.Like, let's not pretend people hunt for the sake of the animals. They do it because they want to, that's all.
You have to prove the the instructor that you have the knowledge and the capabilities to achieve a 1 shot kill with alot of different variables acting against you.
Vegan eh are you aware in the long run that going to take alot years off your life.
even NATURE eats meat
Quote from: XSEAN on July 29, 2015, 09:05:51 PMYou have to prove the the instructor that you have the knowledge and the capabilities to achieve a 1 shot kill with alot of different variables acting against you.I sincerely doubt you have to execute a 1-shot-kill. I'm sure you have to hit the target, but a 1-shot-kill? Doubtful. Of course, provide me with evidence to the contrary and I'll concede. QuoteVegan eh are you aware in the long run that going to take alot years off your life.Not necessarily. I can live longer than you as a vegan, as it's a healthier lifestyle if done right.Not saying I am healthier than you, but that's doesn't matter to me. I don't care about my health, I care about doing the right thing.
Remember that you people are the ones advocating the abolition of hunting on the basis that it harms animals, which I then asserted that it is a less painful demise than they would otherwise undergo.
Hunting already serves other purposes as well, hunters make the state a shit load of money, hunting entertains people, hunting gets people some good meat
it helps stabilize the ecosystem
You obviously haven't done the OHTC.
Your views on doing the right thing are *different* from mine.
Quote from: eggsalad on July 29, 2015, 09:09:38 PMRemember that you people are the ones advocating the abolition of hunting on the basis that it harms animals, which I then asserted that it is a less painful demise than they would otherwise undergo.Which you can't quantify. Sure, they may die more painfully, but that doesn't mean we get to fucking shoot them. A person born poor in Africa is probably going to die painfully, do I get to shoot them?QuoteHunting already serves other purposes as well, hunters make the state a shit load of money, hunting entertains people, hunting gets people some good meatNONE of which make it okay. The Hunger Games entertained people, doesn't make them okay (fictional, I know. Proves my point.) People can be entertained by other means and can get meat in other ways (that aren't any more ethical). I don't give a shit if you're making tons of money off of the murder of animals, that's arguably even worse.Quoteit helps stabilize the ecosystemNo it fucking doesn't. The ecosystem is artificially inflated to support these hunters.
Quote from: DAS THROWBACK on July 29, 2015, 08:52:53 PMQuote from: Snake on July 29, 2015, 08:51:30 PM Again, I possess a conscience. Get the fuck over yourself.He's right though. If you kill for fun you are a sociopath.
The only thing you hunt for is preschoolers you sick shit.
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