Quote from: Solonoid on May 20, 2020, 08:16:52 AMlmao people get schizophrenia because they're weak willed broIf u had Verbatim's force of will psychosis would just go awaymodern studies seem to point toward dopamine?dopamine inhibitors are an effective treatment of schizophrenia and other psychoses?no dude they're just not organizing their brains well enoughif they were smarter they wouldn't have such disorganized mindsi don't remember saying shit about schizophreniaif you forgot, this is about breaking the interdependence of physical and mental health on the basis that they have no logical correlation, and that i'm capable of differentiating between logically-induced positive moods and biologically-induced positive moods, and recognizing that the former is intrinsically more meaningful to mei'm sorry if you're not capable of doing that, i guess? but i am
lmao people get schizophrenia because they're weak willed broIf u had Verbatim's force of will psychosis would just go awaymodern studies seem to point toward dopamine?dopamine inhibitors are an effective treatment of schizophrenia and other psychoses?no dude they're just not organizing their brains well enoughif they were smarter they wouldn't have such disorganized minds
So I'm not sure what your whole deal here is. You're saying that all that energy you're devoting to forcing yourself not to be in a bad mood wouldn't be better spent on something else if your blood sugar wasn't low and your healthier more balanced body and mind was managing that subconsciously? And are you saying that since you make yourself feel bad about eating that your stomach doesn't feel full? Because that's the other side of the argument you've been completely ignoring. That if you do well by your body, it will literally feel better all the time.
do you not understand, based on the text you just read, that schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses, are caused imbalanced brain chemistry, and your assertion of being able to ignore that by just thinking about it logically would obviously also apply to mental illness if it were true at all
you aren't capable of anything you think you are. when your brain gets dopamine you feel something, and you can't logic your way around feeling it, or decide to ignore that feeling because it's literally happening to you and you have no choice but to feel it
if you take wellbutrin, you'll notice you're incapable of feeling bad, and this is from personal experienceyou can think to yourself "I'm such a piece of shit" and go through all the motions to try and make yourself miserable in your mind, but you literally cannot stop feeling good, because you have been stripped of the ability to feel like shit
it doesn't matter what you value or what you think, when the drugs (hormones) hit they hit, and you can't just willpower your way into being sober (not happy) by thinking about it logically, because your brain is a physical organ that feels the things it's told to feel by your body
Quote from: Aether on May 20, 2020, 08:06:55 AMYour mental state can be negatively affected simply by having too much or too little of certain vitamins, or just having a poor gut micro-biome. You don't have to have a chronic condition. If fact research over the last few years has shown that depression and diet are often linked, and even just taking probiotics has helped people just as well as taking anti-depressants.If you just don't take care of your body at all, then it won't be able to function properly. You'll have greater levels of pain, increased fatigue, imbalanced hormones, a myriad of various issues that aren't going to be overcome until you actually start to take care of your body.again, you're cheating the argumentobviously, if you're in the hole, there's nowhere else to go but up—but that's not the conversationwhen it comes to my fitness, i'm not in any sort of hole right now, so this doesn't even apply to me
Your mental state can be negatively affected simply by having too much or too little of certain vitamins, or just having a poor gut micro-biome. You don't have to have a chronic condition. If fact research over the last few years has shown that depression and diet are often linked, and even just taking probiotics has helped people just as well as taking anti-depressants.If you just don't take care of your body at all, then it won't be able to function properly. You'll have greater levels of pain, increased fatigue, imbalanced hormones, a myriad of various issues that aren't going to be overcome until you actually start to take care of your body.
I'm not talking about whatever your current condition is.
I just don't believe you're going to have lasting happiness if you don't take care of it.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AMif i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i wouldthat means you’re afraid of death
if i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i would
Your spite is greater than your biology Huge achievement Great job
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 03:09:11 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AMif i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i wouldthat means you’re afraid of deathwhatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or somethingexactly, which means you can’t overcome certain biological impulses
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AMif i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i wouldthat means you’re afraid of deathwhatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or something
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 06:02:34 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 05:58:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 03:09:11 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AMif i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i wouldthat means you’re afraid of deathwhatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or somethingexactly, which means you can’t overcome certain biological impulseseven if that's true, it's not like that's any excuse to succumb to themi think it's good enough to just try, because it affirms your agencythen you should be able to accept that you can’t avoid “succumbing” to endorphins released through exercise and the positive effect they induce. Euphoria is no less real because it comes from an external stimulant instead of as a result of achieving a goal, for example. It would just be different in the sense that you don’t have the added feelings of pride and the satisfaction of achieving a goal, you simply used a substance to achieve it. It still feels good, and even if you try to make it not feel good, you can’t. So when it comes to your exercise, it should all be a positive for you, except the “waste” of time spent exercising. But how can you be wasting your time if you’re doing something productive which makes you feel better and become healthier, both physically and mentally?
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 05:58:16 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 03:09:11 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 02:52:21 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 09:29:00 AMif i could rip my essence from my body and just live as an amorphous floating point in space, i wouldthat means you’re afraid of deathwhatever fears of death i may possess are strictly biological; there's nothing rational about fearing death, unless you have some reason to believe that there's a hell, and that you're going there or somethingexactly, which means you can’t overcome certain biological impulseseven if that's true, it's not like that's any excuse to succumb to themi think it's good enough to just try, because it affirms your agency
what does “deserve” have to do with it?
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 06:42:09 PMwhat does “deserve” have to do with it?exactly—it doesn't, and that's one of the biggest problems i have with realitythere's people in japan who literally drop dead trying to make an honest living so they can pursue their happiness, and then you have junkies who've never worked a day in their lives who cheat at life and feel good anyway for putting nothing inso if deservingness has nothing to do with it, why bother earning anything in life? why not just be a druggie, thenand before you say it, i'm not trying to say that going to the gym is the same thing as abusing drugs—i'm just saying, going to the gym is just another form of mindless self-indulgence to me. it's gross, and i don't like anything about iteveryone deserves to be happy in a vacuum, but not in a world where everyone doesn't get to be happy
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 07:08:36 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 06:42:09 PMwhat does “deserve” have to do with it?exactly—it doesn't, and that's one of the biggest problems i have with realitythere's people in japan who literally drop dead trying to make an honest living so they can pursue their happiness, and then you have junkies who've never worked a day in their lives who cheat at life and feel good anyway for putting nothing inso if deservingness has nothing to do with it, why bother earning anything in life? why not just be a druggie, thenand before you say it, i'm not trying to say that going to the gym is the same thing as abusing drugs—i'm just saying, going to the gym is just another form of mindless self-indulgence to me. it's gross, and i don't like anything about iteveryone deserves to be happy in a vacuum, but not in a world where everyone doesn't get to be happyhow is exercising “mindless self-indulgence”?
Self-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from itWell it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from it
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 11:30:45 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:55:29 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from itWell it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.do you think anomalies are unscientific or somethingalso thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmaoWell that’s the thing, you want to be an anomaly. You self-indulge in trying to be (in your mind, not in actually reality) superior to others.
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:55:29 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from itWell it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.do you think anomalies are unscientific or somethingalso thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmao
Quote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 11:44:17 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 11:37:54 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 11:30:45 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:55:29 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from itWell it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.do you think anomalies are unscientific or somethingalso thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmaoWell that’s the thing, you want to be an anomaly. You self-indulge in trying to be (in your mind, not in actually reality) superior to others.and that's bad?I would say yes, you would say no. The point is, what makes what you do any better or worse than exercising for a six pack?
Quote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 11:37:54 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 11:30:45 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:55:29 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 20, 2020, 10:45:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on May 20, 2020, 10:36:36 PMSelf-indulgence could be classified as hedonism. How is exercising hedonistic behavior? Even if you exercise solely to make yourself happy, your loved ones would benefit from your improved behavior.i would only make that classification if pleasure is all you care about—you're not necessarily a hedonist just because you engage in self-indulgent behavior every once in a whilethat doesn't make it intelligent behavior, i just think hedonism is taking it to another extreme that i'm not trying to argueso how is your behavior tied to your physical well-being, how does exercise improve it, and how would your loved ones benefit from itWell it’s a fact that exercise improves mental health. But if you’re going to exercise, be bitter while you’re doing it, and then when you accomplish whatever goal you set out to accomplish use it to try and deny science, you’re just wasting your life. Everyone will know you’re lying and chalk it up to you just being you. Just like what happened with all that anime you watched, you ended up enjoying various shows.do you think anomalies are unscientific or somethingalso thank you for admitting that exercise is a waste of life lmaoWell that’s the thing, you want to be an anomaly. You self-indulge in trying to be (in your mind, not in actually reality) superior to others.and that's bad?
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