I have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:32:33 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PM if Joey's humping your leg and really going at itThat's not consent.Except it is.Literally the only force propelling this sexual act is Joey.If you're too stupid to give consent, you can't give consent. Dogs are too stupid.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:30:07 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PM if Joey's humping your leg and really going at itThat's not consent.Except it is.Literally the only force propelling this sexual act is Joey.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PM if Joey's humping your leg and really going at itThat's not consent.
if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it
Is the expressing of pleasure not a form of consent?
Is the returning of the dog to get petted again not a form of expressed desire? Is it seriously immoral to pet my damn dog? I'm gonna have a hard time believing it is.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:27:38 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:24:40 PMHow is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animalExcept you can, if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:24:40 PMHow is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animal
How is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:34:12 PMI have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.Look, psys almost showing the cracks in his sanity, telling him about this will kill him
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:27:38 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:24:40 PMHow is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animalExcept you can, if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?You just went from trying to say dogs can consent to a human consenting gay sex with a dog
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:34:15 PMIs the expressing of pleasure not a form of consent?It isn't. Pleasure is not a voluntary reaction to stimuli.
Quote from: H3G on October 24, 2015, 10:32:07 PMOh my God it actually did just fucking migrateRULE NUMBER ONE OF SEP7 Listen to me and only me
Oh my God it actually did just fucking migrate
Quote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:36:12 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:34:12 PMI have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.Look, psys almost showing the cracks in his sanity, telling him about this will kill himWe need his firepower! I cannot do the purge by myself, Tru! My bolters are not enough! I need his adequate power sword!
No.He is not the one being asked for consent, he is the one asking for consent when he initiates a sex act.
Quote from: H3G on October 24, 2015, 10:36:48 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:29:17 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:27:38 PMQuote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:24:40 PMHow is mutual gratification not mutually beneficial?you can't guarantee mutual gratification because you can't get consent from a fucking animalExcept you can, if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?You just went from trying to say dogs can consent to a human consenting gay sex with a dogWho said it was gay you transphobe SHITLORD
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:36:42 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:34:15 PMIs the expressing of pleasure not a form of consent?It isn't. Pleasure is not a voluntary reaction to stimuli.Literally nothing is a voluntary reaction to stimuli.
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:37:24 PMQuote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:36:12 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:34:12 PMI have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.Look, psys almost showing the cracks in his sanity, telling him about this will kill himWe need his firepower! I cannot do the purge by myself, Tru! My bolters are not enough! I need his adequate power sword!Grey Knights are immune to this plague
Quote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:38:14 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:37:24 PMQuote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:36:12 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:34:12 PMI have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.Look, psys almost showing the cracks in his sanity, telling him about this will kill himWe need his firepower! I cannot do the purge by myself, Tru! My bolters are not enough! I need his adequate power sword!Grey Knights are immune to this plagueDo we have the green light to begin the mission?
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:38:01 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:36:42 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:34:15 PMIs the expressing of pleasure not a form of consent?It isn't. Pleasure is not a voluntary reaction to stimuli.Literally nothing is a voluntary reaction to stimuli.Exactly.Which is why verbal consent is the only truly acceptable form of consent there is.
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:13:50 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:12:06 PMNo. For the same reason that a small child can't give reasonably compelling forms of consent.Fun fact: Animals aren't as smart as humans, and are therefore bereft of any rational judgment.You insane motherfucking cunt.If an animal can instinctively initiate the process that would indicate a desire to mate, then why is it immoral to bone the dog afterwards? Would it be immoral for another dog to bone them after that signal?We have the conscious ability to realize that the dog is too stupid, relatively speaking, to give consent. Dogs don't.Yes, you could argue that animals are "raping" each other in the wild, but there's no moral quandary, because they can't exactly help themselves. Humans can.Fucking hell, this is pissing me the fuck off. Fucking degenerates. ALL of you.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 24, 2015, 10:12:06 PMNo. For the same reason that a small child can't give reasonably compelling forms of consent.Fun fact: Animals aren't as smart as humans, and are therefore bereft of any rational judgment.You insane motherfucking cunt.If an animal can instinctively initiate the process that would indicate a desire to mate, then why is it immoral to bone the dog afterwards? Would it be immoral for another dog to bone them after that signal?
No. For the same reason that a small child can't give reasonably compelling forms of consent.Fun fact: Animals aren't as smart as humans, and are therefore bereft of any rational judgment.You insane motherfucking cunt.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 24, 2015, 10:36:16 PMNo.He is not the one being asked for consent, he is the one asking for consent when he initiates a sex act.This changes nothing.Dogs are too stupid to make judgment calls like that. It is immoral to take advantage of stupid things.
Quote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:39:26 PMQuote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:38:14 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:37:24 PMQuote from: True Turquoise on October 24, 2015, 10:36:12 PMQuote from: Korra on October 24, 2015, 10:34:12 PMI have now seen the true horror of Sep7...Bestiality. I am now contacting Mr. Psy to begin Order 66.Look, psys almost showing the cracks in his sanity, telling him about this will kill himWe need his firepower! I cannot do the purge by myself, Tru! My bolters are not enough! I need his adequate power sword!Grey Knights are immune to this plagueDo we have the green light to begin the mission?i dont even know anymore lol
Why?
...That's still the result of non-voluntary reaction to stimuli.
Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:36:10 PMWhy?Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 24, 2015, 10:32:23 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:30:26 PMIs it immoral that I pet my dog because they can't give consent, despite expressing pleasure after I do it? And then they just come back so I can do it again? Why can't an animal give consent?I'm pretty sure they're saying that unless it could give human-type consent, any other kind of consent doesn't exist and is invalid as an argument.My question is why?
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:30:26 PMIs it immoral that I pet my dog because they can't give consent, despite expressing pleasure after I do it? And then they just come back so I can do it again? Why can't an animal give consent?I'm pretty sure they're saying that unless it could give human-type consent, any other kind of consent doesn't exist and is invalid as an argument.
Is it immoral that I pet my dog because they can't give consent, despite expressing pleasure after I do it? And then they just come back so I can do it again? Why can't an animal give consent?
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:40:17 PM...That's still the result of non-voluntary reaction to stimuli.No it fucking isn't. If I say, "I am a perfectly lucid, intelligent, and sober sentient being and I am giving you my formal consent to have sex with me," that is the best fucking form of consent there is. Unbeatable.Feeling happy because someone jerked your dick off, whether you asked for it or not?Not consent.
Quoteif Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?this is a new copypasta
if Joey's humping your leg and really going at it, and you lead him to your bunghole, he nuts, you nut, where is the suffering? Is Joey crying in the rain gnawing his paws off or is he just happy he came?
All of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary.
Quote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:43:56 PMAll of the things preceding that reaction were non-voluntary. The action, at its core, wasn't voluntary. But you said "yes" verbally. Sober, lucid.That is all that matters.
Quote from: Prime Megaten on October 24, 2015, 10:41:51 PMQuote from: Winy on October 24, 2015, 10:36:10 PMWhy?Same reason that calling someone "stupid" versus "a fucking cunt who doesn't know their ass from their face and should off themself".People don't consent to surprise parties, they don't consent to someone initiating conversation with them, they don't consent to others thoughts of them, or even small touches. People touch each others shoulders and the like while talking all the time-- that doesn't mean the person being touched consented, but unless their reaction is so adverse as to flip out, it's a trite example.Petty consent is malleable, it's as severity increases that the need for consent becomes closer to 100%.You're using human values of sex and applying to dogs when to dogs it isn't necessarily held as important.
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