It's not any one thing. It means different things for different people. For corporations, it means dollar signs. For the neighborhood priest, it means celebrating the birth of Jesus. For people like me, it just means reveling in the spirit.
As if Christmas has anything to do with Christianity
>making your own memes>'memes'
Quote from: XKUPO Has Left on November 23, 2015, 08:53:23 PM>making your own memes>'memes'whenever I call these 'memes', someone gets pissy and says something about 'macros'
Quote from: Elegiac on November 23, 2015, 08:56:13 PMQuote from: XKUPO Has Left on November 23, 2015, 08:53:23 PM>making your own memes>'memes'whenever I call these 'memes', someone gets pissy and says something about 'macros'hence, 'memes'
Quote from: KinderEssen on November 23, 2015, 09:12:42 PMChristmas doesn't even have Christian originsI don't know what bothers me more about this kind of comment- how ill-informed it is or how often it is made.
Christmas doesn't even have Christian origins
I think that Christmas has both a secular consumerist and spiritual religious form.Both are legitimate, but non-Christian revelers should recognize the context behind the holiday and its historical significance, as well as its spiritual significance to Christians.Non-christians treating Christmas like it has "evolved" and no is no longer a Christian tradition are like white rappers using "nigga".
Quote from: KinderEssen on November 24, 2015, 12:08:26 AMQuote from: Cyrus on November 23, 2015, 11:32:49 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on November 23, 2015, 09:12:42 PMChristmas doesn't even have Christian originsI don't know what bothers me more about this kind of comment- how ill-informed it is or how often it is made.Well, explain, so that I may become informed.Christmas was developed by Romans and placed at the date it is in order to hijack pagan holidays of the time. However, to suggest that Christmas does not have Christian origins is ridiculous. Christmas was developed very specifically as a Christian holiday to specifically replace the pagan Saturnalia- not as an evolution of it. Over time, Christmas took on more and more unique traits, becoming a celebration of Christ's birth down the line. As it spread to western and northern Europe, it picked up many pagan traditions as well as people of different cultures adopted and adapted it to their lifestyles.However, what has remained constant until recent history is Christmas' purpose- the veneration of Jesus Christ, be that in defiance of a pagan majority or in celebration of his birth. It was not until recently that capitalism and consumerism hijacked the holy day and turned it into an economic phenomenon. Christmas in the form most secular people today celebrate may have little to do with Christmas as 4th century Christians celebrated it, but the day is still holy to Christians and largely belongs to them.TL;DR all Christmas has in common with the roman celebration it displaced is the date, and the pagan traditions we today associate with it were picked up later on as new cultures adopted it.
Quote from: Cyrus on November 23, 2015, 11:32:49 PMQuote from: KinderEssen on November 23, 2015, 09:12:42 PMChristmas doesn't even have Christian originsI don't know what bothers me more about this kind of comment- how ill-informed it is or how often it is made.Well, explain, so that I may become informed.
Well, I stand corrected. I think what I meant to say is that holidays like it existed before Christmas came about.
Quote from: KinderEssen on November 24, 2015, 03:47:49 PMWell, I stand corrected. I think what I meant to say is that holidays like it existed before Christmas came about.You'd think the 'Christ' in christmas gives it away <.<
Christmas: The Yearly Total Victory to Christianity
