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Can you demonstrate how different job opportunity is in the U.S. as opposed to Ontario?
Only that I've already lost track of the number of jobs I've applied for over the past three years, and never got any. None of them were fast food, of course, because I obviously refuse to work in fast food. It just seems like it's down to dumb luck.
Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 01:22:22 AM by Verbatim


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You live in Canada.

If you want to be anything other than a mule in the US, you need a degree.

Ontario is literally America Jr. so, no. Fairly sure the job climate is the exact same.

I'm sure you can find good work in the U.S., too. You just have to not be picky.
similar culture =/= similar anything else

The job climate in the US is shit, there's niggas that want you to have a degree to manage a grocery store.

Like nigga, wtf if I had a degree I wouldn't have applied ay a grocery store.


 
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Can you demonstrate how different job opportunity is in the U.S. as opposed to Ontario?
Only that I've already lost track of the number of jobs I've applied for over the past three years, and never got. None of them were fast food, because I obviously refuse to work in fast food. It just seems like it's down to dumb luck.

Alright, that's not exactly what I was looking for, but I guess it works. I've heard stories of that happening here. Like I said, it's not that different.

What kind of places were you applying to? Did you ever consider physical labour jobs like landscaping, construction, etc.?
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You live in Canada.

If you want to be anything other than a mule in the US, you need a degree.

Ontario is literally America Jr. so, no. Fairly sure the job climate is the exact same.

I'm sure you can find good work in the U.S., too. You just have to not be picky.
similar culture =/= similar anything else

The job climate in the US is shit, there's niggas that want you to have a degree to manage a grocery store.

Like nigga, wtf if I had a degree I wouldn't have applied ay a grocery store.

Demonstrate to me why I must make the distinction between Ontario and the rest of the U.S. when in no other area I must do so.

Guess what -- you have to have a degree to run a grocery store here, too.

I'm in the middle of a class discussing the shitty employment rate of University graduates. Trust me, it isn't great here either.


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You live in Canada.

If you want to be anything other than a mule in the US, you need a degree.

Ontario is literally America Jr. so, no. Fairly sure the job climate is the exact same.

I'm sure you can find good work in the U.S., too. You just have to not be picky.
similar culture =/= similar anything else

The job climate in the US is shit, there's niggas that want you to have a degree to manage a grocery store.

Like nigga, wtf if I had a degree I wouldn't have applied ay a grocery store.

Demonstrate to me why I must make the distinction between Ontario and the rest of the U.S. when in no other area I must do so.

Guess what -- you have to have a degree to run a grocery store here, too.

I'm in the middle of a class discussing the shitty employment rate of University graduates. Trust me, it isn't great here either.
Then clearly you don't understand the definition of "being a mule"

It's fucking simple.mate, there's good jobs and there's shit jobs, don't go around saying there's good jobs for high school grads and then be like "have you tried construction"

Tldr stop contradicting yourself


 
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Like, we don't live in this ridiculously under-developed, under-populated frozen wasteland where we trade buck antlers for a cup of coffee...


 
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What kind of places were you applying to? Did you ever consider physical labour jobs like landscaping, construction, etc.?
Any entry-level job you can think of that isn't strictly in food. Mostly grocery stores and libraries.

No interest in physical labor.

My best bet right now is working in the English department at my university, but the pay isn't good.

Yes, I realize that contradicts what I've said in that Serious thread, but it just so happens that I'm a human scumbag piece of shit who wants a little bit of money for his work, too. At least I'm aware of it.
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Then clearly you don't understand the definition of "being a mule"

It's fucking simple.mate, there's good jobs and there's shit jobs, don't go around saying there's good jobs for high school grads and then be like "have you tried construction"

Tldr stop contradicting yourself

Admittedly, I did read your first response as "own a mule" instead of "be a mule." But really, that doesn't change anything. Construction is fine work. What's wrong with it?

Also you're not British, stop using "mate."


 
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Any entry-level job you can think of that isn't strictly in food. Mostly grocery stores and libraries.

Have you gone to any interviews? How did they go? Do you know what kind of people they've been giving the jobs to?

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No interest in physical labor.

Well that's your best bet if you want a job. Can I ask why?


 
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Then clearly you don't understand the definition of "being a mule"

It's fucking simple.mate, there's good jobs and there's shit jobs, don't go around saying there's good jobs for high school grads and then be like "have you tried construction"

Tldr stop contradicting yourself

Admittedly, I did read your first response as "own a mule" instead of "be a mule." But really, that doesn't change anything. Construction is fine work. What's wrong with it?

Also you're not British, stop using "mate."
Ah see, there's the difference between you, and I.

I can't get a job as a construction worker because I pay my taxes, and contractors in the US largely aren't interested in employing people who do so, and they also aren't interested in employing anyone who won't work for.less than minimum wage.

Hell I'll just come out and say it.

Unless you're an illegal immigrant or a convicted felon, construction isn't for you in this country.

Now that leaves two options.

Retail, and food.

You wont get very high up in retail without a degree, and food is incredibly degrading, unless of course, you're the kind chef who, y'know, went to school.

If you want to make a meaningful contribution to society, you need a degree.

If you want to be a pack mule and make peanuts whilst society looks down on you for taking jobs from teenagers, then you don't need an education.


 
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Have you gone to any interviews?
Never had the serendipity.
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Do you know what kind of people they've been giving the jobs to?
Kids who've never had a job like me.

The only reason I didn't get x job is because somebody else got it, that's all. It's not that I'm not qualified--I just didn't get the job--period, the end. There's no other reasons for it. I'm just not that lucky.
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Well that's your best bet if you want a job. Can I ask why?
Too dangerous for my liking. I'd like to not die or get horribly injured while working. That would be great.


 
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contractors in the US largely aren't interested in employing people who do so, and they also aren't interested in employing anyone who won't work for less than minimum wage.

Why?

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Unless you're an illegal immigrant or a convicted felon, construction isn't for you in this country.

I seriously doubt the legitimacy of this claim.


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libraries.

Holy fuck I've never considered this as an option


 
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Too dangerous for my liking. I'd like to not die or get horribly injured while working. That would be great.

Surely you realise how irrational that is.

There are loads of safe, physical labour-based jobs out there. I was working in landscaping last summer, laying bricks on a long-ass driveway. There's very little risk there.

There's very little risk in lawn care, too.


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contractors in the US largely aren't interested in employing people who do so, and they also aren't interested in employing anyone who won't work for less than minimum wage.

Why?

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Unless you're an illegal immigrant or a convicted felon, construction isn't for you in this country.

I seriously doubt the legitimacy of this claim.
There are so many illegal immigrants where I live, that it would be completely pointless to pay someone full minimum wage over the counter for a job that doesn't require them to know English.

The fucking brown people will do it for next to nothing, and felons are unhirable so they just jump on that shit all the same.


 
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libraries.
Holy fuck I've never considered this as an option
"A librarian" was my response when I was first asked what I wanted to be when I grew up. Why?

"Libraries are nice and quiet."

I always looked back and thought that was a funny thing for a little kid to say.


 
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There are so many illegal immigrants where I live, that it would be completely pointless to pay someone full minimum wage over the counter for a job that doesn't require them to know English.

The fucking brown people will do it for next to nothing, and felons are unhirable so they just jump on that shit all the same.

I fail to see how your local problem applies to your country, like your statement claimed.

That being said, there must be work for you in neighbouring cities. Is it not possible to commute?


 
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There are loads of safe, physical labour-based jobs out there. I was working in landscaping last summer, laying bricks on a long-ass driveway. There's very little risk there.
Well, you said construction first, and now you're saying landscaping. Two similar but different things.

Either way, no one needs that sort of work done around here.

And if they do, they're not going to get some random chucklehead like me to do it. Let's be real.
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There's very little risk in lawn care, too.
It's also not really a job that I can make a sustainable income out of.
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libraries.
Holy fuck I've never considered this as an option
"A librarian" was my response when I was first asked what I wanted to be when I grew up. Why?

"Libraries are nice and quiet."

I always looked back and thought that was a funny thing for a little kid to say.

Well, I more meant just doing it until I get into games properly. I used to help around in the school library a couple years ago and it was pretty cool and I wasn't paid for that. I'm a bit of a weirdo like that, I guess.

The other thing is I absolutely refuse to work at somewhere like mcdonalds or kfc or something. I guess I can blame watching that documentary about the guy basically living off nothing but MCD's for a month for ensuring I have little love for fast food.


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There are so many illegal immigrants where I live, that it would be completely pointless to pay someone full minimum wage over the counter for a job that doesn't require them to know English.

The fucking brown people will do it for next to nothing, and felons are unhirable so they just jump on that shit all the same.

I fail to see how your local problem applies to your country, like your statement claimed.

That being said, there must be work for you in neighbouring cities. Is it not possible to commute?
Neighboring cities?

I couldn't get a construction job in neighboring states! And as far as I can tell, that issue sustains as far north as Wisconsin.

That's most of the US right there.

Anyway, I don't have a problem working shit jobs, anytime I want a job, I go down the street and fucking get one.

It doesn't change the fact they're shit.


 
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You live in Canada.

If you want to be anything other than a mule in the US, you need a degree.

Ontario is literally America Jr. so, no. Fairly sure the job climate is the exact same.

I'm sure you can find good work in the U.S., too. You just have to not be picky.

Last time I checked, I needed my grade 12 to work at Mickie D's. The only jobs I've ever been able to take legally are stuff like janitorial stuff in certain institutions, and laborer work in construction jobs.

Then again, different province.


 
 
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You live in Canada.

If you want to be anything other than a mule in the US, you need a degree.

Ontario is literally America Jr. so, no. Fairly sure the job climate is the exact same.

I'm sure you can find good work in the U.S., too. You just have to not be picky.

Last time I checked, I needed my grade 12 to work at Mickie D's. The only jobs I've ever been able to take legally are stuff like janitorial stuff in certain institutions, and laborer work in construction jobs.

Then again, different province.

Are you agreeing with me, or...?


 
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yeah i'm pretty much in the same boat as you, Class. I don't really have any passions, and the ones I do I don't want to monetise and ruin my enjoyment of them.

Though, I've just decided to say "fuck it" and make a living planting trees or something, whereas I think you're actually planning on going to College/Uni?
Could just go unplugged or some shit. Grow your own food and what not. I have a cousin that does that, he doesn't really have a job either.


 
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yeah i'm pretty much in the same boat as you, Class. I don't really have any passions, and the ones I do I don't want to monetise and ruin my enjoyment of them.

Though, I've just decided to say "fuck it" and make a living planting trees or something, whereas I think you're actually planning on going to College/Uni?
Could just go unplugged or some shit. Grow your own food and what not. I have a cousin that does that, he doesn't really have a job either.

I like music, movies and other electronic things too much to do that. Though I would like to own a farm or farm land in the future.


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I feel like you guys are grossely misunderstanding what Canada's like, lol.


 
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yeah i'm pretty much in the same boat as you, Class. I don't really have any passions, and the ones I do I don't want to monetise and ruin my enjoyment of them.

Though, I've just decided to say "fuck it" and make a living planting trees or something, whereas I think you're actually planning on going to College/Uni?
Could just go unplugged or some shit. Grow your own food and what not. I have a cousin that does that, he doesn't really have a job either.

I like music, movies and other electronic things too much to do that. Though I would like to own a farm or farm land in the future.
It's a lot of work.


 
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It's a lot of work.

I'm not afraid of work.


 
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It's a lot of work.

I'm not afraid of work.
Farms can be expensive and time consuming.