If children are never beaten then they'll never know when to take adults seriously. You know why adults need to have this sort of control over their kids? Because adults have already learned, they have went through the mistakes and follies that children have made. Now a days we see a sense of superiority being instilled in children, and this is dangerous because it induces the Dunning Kruger Effect, where people think they're automatically experts on a subject they know very little about. Have you ever seen a kid acting up and being insufferable, and you just want nothing more than to punch it? You know they think they're immune from corporal punishment, which is why they are such smug, ignorant, arrogant, disrespectful little shits.

why are you such a pretentious twat

"pretentious" is the wrong word

The proper punishment for children isn't as black and white as whether or not to beat them.

I was whipped with a belt for serious offences and slapped on my backside for lesser offences. Timeout was a joke. Worked great if you ask me. I'm not an entitled, selfish twat.

You can tell that some of the younger parents don't punish their children at all and I think this is the wrong approach. Children need to learn that there are consequences for their actions.

Striking a child is definitely not the way to go. Verbal abuse is pretty terrible too.

Not beating your kids is what leads to hipsters and communists. You gotta smack the fear of the free market god in to those little bastards while they're still little.

Not beating your kids is what leads to hipsters and communists. You gotta smack the fear of the free market god in to those little bastards while they're still little.

Basically, just make sure you don't overdo it. You'll be left with a mustache wearing, trap fucking, pedophillic drunk with a severe hatred of women and healthy relationships.

As a father, all I will say is it's important to appropriately discipline children. Some things a yell or time out is the appropriate response. Sometimes a slap or spanking is. Kids are natural scientists. They are a pure blank slate and test everything. 

Only in certain circumstances.

That isn't how this works.

Yes it is.

Rules need to be respected, that's the point. Otherwise, why punish anybody for anything?

Where does hitting a child come into this? Punishment doesn't have to involve violence.

I would absolutely hit an adult. I'll kill one when necessary. Rules and boundaries exist for a reason.

Under what circumstances would you hit/kill an adult?

What makes you think a child would end up in those circumstances?

Do you mean in the workplace? Cool, you just lost your job due to a double standard. Should your boss be allowed to put his hands on you for breaking one of his policies? Do you know how fucking retarded you're sounding?

There's nothing wrong with lashings for misdemeanors and such. It would cut down prison populations and save a lit of taxpayer money.

Sometimes it does.

It never does. And if it ever gets to that point, you should be fucking killed.

Self defense, war,

Because you totally have a child to be worried about when it comes to self-defense. Fucking retard.

Unless you're that much of a pussy that you're scared of children.

Children don't do bad things? They don't physically or verbally abuse anyone?

You know what causes that behavior?

Hitting them.

What? What the hell are you talking about?

Are you fucking stupid? Can you follow a basic conversation?

I'm asking you when the fuck it's okay to hit a fucking adult you stupid fuck.

It's not okay to hit an adult in normal, non-self-defense circumstances, so it's never okay to hit a child. 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Quote from: Verbatim on December 17, 2016, 02:42:31 PM

It never does. And if it ever gets to that point, you should be fucking killed.

I should be killed because despite my best efforts of teaching my kid manners he acts like an asshole for some reason or other?

Yes.

KILLED.

Maybe you should be tortured first, though. I haven't really decided yet.

I'm not saying this should be a regular thing. But it does work.

Anti-natalism works. Are you an anti-natalist now? Because it works?

I never said it didn't work. There are some sad miserable cunts out there who claim to be THANKFUL that their parents beat the fuck out of them. That still doesn't make it okay. This is a matter of principle.

You asked about adults.

If you wouldn't hit an ADULT under normal, non self-defense circumstances, why would you hit someone who is literally too small to defend himself or do anything about it? Have you even bothered reading about the psychological damage that could be inflicted?

Abusing children does cause to abuse others in turn, yes. There a plethora of causes which result in children behaving badly.

I'm not talking about that though. I'm talking about a slap upside the head.

It doesn't matter. It's all the same.

Your analogy makes zero fucking sense.

Probably because it's not a fucking analogy. It's just logic. If you're okay with slapping a small child for talking back to you, then your boss should be able to slap you for acting up against him.

Except if he did, you could sue the fucker for everything that he owns. And rightfully so. You never lay hands on anybody--ESPECIALLY not a defenseless child.

Quote from: Verbatim on December 17, 2016, 02:55:03 PM

Anti-natalism works. Are you an anti-natalist now? Because it works?

I'm not sure if you're disparaging your own ideology or just admitting I'm right.

I'm not sure if you're retarded or retarded.

I'm making the point that you need a more convincing argument than "DURRR, IT WORKS" to persuade anybody who isn't a complete fucking dumbass. Unfortunately for you, I'm not a complete fucking dumbass.

A slap is beating the fuck out of a child?

Yes.

I'm well aware.

That's why this is different. You aren't dealing with an adult. You're dealing with a child.

And that's where you should've had the epiphany--"Oh, it's never okay to hit a child, because they're considerably more fragile than an adult in every single way, physically and mentally, and I could cause a lot of physical and mental damage!"

If my parents had ever hit me, I would never forgive them--ever--and I would devote my entire life spiting them to hell, doing everything they've ever wanted me to avoid. So thank god I actually had half-decent fucking parents.

That's totally different. The way you treat an adult and the way you treat a child are two wildly different things.

One of them you can hurt and not cause any real damage. You can punch someone in the face and they'll get over it in an hour. You slap a kid upside the head and they'll remember it for life.

That's why you never do it. Because they're hurt more. Who the fuck would've thought.

Keep in mind I think children should be talked to as if they're adults and not like they're idiots. That's exactly why if a smart kid is doing something wrong, and you've told him no and to stop and you've explained to him why his behavior is wrong, a slap upside the head isn't going to psychologically destroy him for the rest of his life.

But it COULD, and it has. Name any serial killer, pedophile, or well-known public degenerate you can think of--they were beaten as children.

Let's get some actual evidence up in here