Carmen's 4chan saga

February 26, 2019, 01:35:40 AM

https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11640347
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11794079/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11784220/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11853980/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11879545/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11850856/
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/11900207

More posting this for me than for you. It helps to have a thread I can look back on where I can see all of this, and posting it on Sep7 ensures I'll never lose it. Kind of like uploading to the cloud

I'd be lying if I said there wasn't some attention seeking here, but you guys can ignore this or have this on file to know a lot more about me and how I feel about my trans-ness

big dog · February 26, 2019, 04:21:27 AM

Stop posting.

BaconShelf · February 26, 2019, 04:33:29 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on February 26, 2019, 04:21:27 AM

Stop posting.

Based

Ian · February 26, 2019, 09:38:33 AM

Why does AGP trigger you so much?

Some men have a fetish and that doesn’t mean they’re trans. Is that really so wrong?

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · February 26, 2019, 10:49:58 AM

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February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM

Quote from: Ian on February 26, 2019, 09:38:33 AM

Why does AGP trigger you so much?

Some men have a fetish and that doesn’t mean they’re trans. Is that really so wrong?

It's not fucking real. And I'm tired of being lumped in with you people who only want to be feminized to get off. It's fucking sick. I'm so fucking tired of being called AGP, and honestly, people with the feminization fetish should be ashamed of themselves. The fetish only exists because as a society, we teach boys that feminization = humiliation, and that's why this particular fetish exists. It's a subset of BDSM shit, nothing more. And the fetish makes me so mad because being feminized is NOT humiliating or degrading - it's empowering and liberating. It makes no sense for feminization to get you aroused because of the humiliation aspect, and frankly it's offensive.

I don't have the fetish, and there is no AGP. It's not a subsect of trans, it's a fetish. You can have the fetish and be trans, you can have the fetish and not be trans. I don't have the fetish at all and I'm definitely trans.

Hope this post opened your fucking eyes man. If not, I can't help you.

Elai · February 26, 2019, 01:45:09 PM

Quote from: Ian on February 26, 2019, 09:38:33 AM

Why does AGP trigger you so much?

Some men have a fetish and that doesn’t mean they’re trans. Is that really so wrong?

Because it exists solely to discredit the plea of trans women.

There are some ideas that, despite perhaps having some reasonable grounds for argument, should not be taken seriously at the moment because they hamper social progress. Tucutes are right in the idea that you don't necessarily need dysphoria to be trans, however, the political climate is so hostile towards trans people that they (tucutes) make the entire movement look like a joke and are doing a lot more damage than their ideas are currently worth.

AGP might very well exist but not on a large enough scale to be relevant in a conversation about trans women. It does nothing but hurt already underprivilged people and provide a cover of "rationality" for bigots.

Ian · February 26, 2019, 03:37:59 PM

What if someone has a feminization fetish but doesn't find it humiliating/doesn't want it to be associated with humiliation?

Also, that entire board is obsessed with that word "AGP", so if you fully intend on sticking around there you better learn to let that word roll off your shoulder because it's thrown around there just as much as Faggot and Nigger is.

Quote from: Carmen on February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM

The fetish only exists because as a society, we teach boys that feminization = humiliation, and that's why this particular fetish exists. It's a subset of BDSM shit, nothing more. And the fetish makes me so mad because being feminized is NOT humiliating or degrading - it's empowering and liberating. It makes no sense for feminization to get you aroused because of the humiliation aspect, and frankly it's offensive.

I don't have the fetish, and there is no AGP. It's not a subsect of trans, it's a fetish. You can have the fetish and be trans, you can have the fetish and not be trans. I don't have the fetish at all and I'm definitely trans.

Ásgeirr · February 26, 2019, 05:51:12 PM

some attention seeking?

you seek it constantly and this is like painting your picture on mugs and walls

rC · February 27, 2019, 12:02:06 PM

wait so just because i wanna be dressed up like a cute grill and get pounded by a big cock, im transphobic?

Verbatim · February 27, 2019, 01:02:29 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM

It's not fucking real.

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You can have the fetish and be trans

you seem to be going back and forth between these two statements in this post

i'm pretty sure you can only choose one of them

Mmmmm Napalm · February 27, 2019, 01:32:26 PM

You are much more annoying than Loaf

February 28, 2019, 01:32:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2019, 01:02:29 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM
It's not fucking real.
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You can have the fetish and be trans
you seem to be going back and forth between these two statements in this post

i'm pretty sure you can only choose one of them

AGP isn't real (AGP as a gender orientation) but the feminization fetish is real

whats so hard there

Verbatim · February 28, 2019, 02:26:45 AM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 01:32:20 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Carmen on February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM
It's not fucking real.
Quote
You can have the fetish and be trans
you seem to be going back and forth between these two statements in this post

i'm pretty sure you can only choose one of them
AGP isn't real (AGP as a gender orientation) but the feminization fetish is real

whats so hard there

absolutely nothing (for me)

it's you who seems to be having some trouble here, but that's not surprising

February 28, 2019, 02:49:57 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 28, 2019, 02:26:45 AM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 01:32:20 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
Quote from: Carmen on February 26, 2019, 11:23:10 AM
It's not fucking real.
Quote
You can have the fetish and be trans
you seem to be going back and forth between these two statements in this post

i'm pretty sure you can only choose one of them
AGP isn't real (AGP as a gender orientation) but the feminization fetish is real

whats so hard there
absolutely nothing (for me)

it's you who seems to be having some trouble here, but that's not surprising

No, you're the one with the trouble, because you're trying to imply AGP is a thing, when it's not. Read this post (not written by me) if you need any fucking clarification here:

Ian · February 28, 2019, 09:50:18 AM

>Calling an extreme minority AGP would mean calling all transpeople AGP

Says who? Also, that term is only used on a regular basis on 4chan, it has almost no existence outside of that site.

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 02:49:57 AM

No, you're the one with the trouble, because you're trying to imply AGP is a thing, when it's not. Read this post (not written by me) if you need any fucking clarification here:

DAS B00T x2 · February 28, 2019, 11:04:02 AM

y'all motherfuckers need jesus

Ingy · February 28, 2019, 01:45:24 PM

Is this the cost for more activity on this godforsaken website

Verbatim · February 28, 2019, 02:00:35 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 02:49:57 AM

Read this post (not written by me)

this schrödinger's fetish thing isn't very compelling

it either exists or it doesn't, and i'm more inclined to say it does exist since several people seem to identify with it, and claiming that they're all liars for some reason would be rather petty and rude

especially when all you appear to be saying is "you don't have AGP, you have a fetish for being feminized"

which is like saying "you don't have ALS, you have lou gehrig's disease"

you're using different words to describe the same exact thing for reasons i've yet to figure out

rC · February 28, 2019, 02:12:13 PM

Cuz he's trolling

Verbatim · February 28, 2019, 02:24:01 PM

i should also add that i'm not remotely interested in ray blanchard or any of his theories

i'm only concerned with the etymological roots and pragmatic usage of the word "autogynophilia" itself

i know two things—the base definition of the word, and that there are some people who identify with it, and because i don't really have a good reason to assume these people are lying, i conclude that the fetish does indeed exist

what's lost on me is why this is such a big deal in the first place

if someone says they're an autogynophile, in what way does that affect you

February 28, 2019, 04:27:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 28, 2019, 02:24:01 PM

i should also add that i'm not remotely interested in ray blanchard or any of his theories

i'm only concerned with the etymological roots and pragmatic usage of the word "autogynophilia" itself

i know two things—the base definition of the word, and that there are some people who identify with it, and because i don't really have a good reason to assume these people are lying, i conclude that the fetish does indeed exist

what's lost on me is why this is such a big deal in the first place

if someone says they're an autogynophile, in what way does that affect you

because AGP is a slur used to attack trans women

it's basically saying "you are not the same type of trans women that I, an HSTS, am. You only want to be a girl to get off, you dont have dysphoria"

its offensive and annoying

Verbatim · February 28, 2019, 04:36:16 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 04:27:24 PM

because AGP is a slur used to attack trans women

it's basically saying "you are not the same type of trans women that I, an HSTS, am. You only want to be a girl to get off, you dont have dysphoria"

its offensive and annoying

would it seem weird to you if i responded to someone calling me gay (as an insult) by saying homosexuality doesn't exist

i would say you're not wrong to be annoyed by that behavior, but your reaction still seems strange

February 28, 2019, 04:38:23 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on February 28, 2019, 04:36:16 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
because AGP is a slur used to attack trans women

it's basically saying "you are not the same type of trans women that I, an HSTS, am. You only want to be a girl to get off, you dont have dysphoria"

its offensive and annoying
would it seem weird to you if i responded to someone calling me gay (as an insult) by saying homosexuality doesn't exist

your problem is that you see AGP and the feminization fetish as synonyms while theyre not

blanchard literally believes there are two different classes of trans women, and that they cant intermingle

but its not true - gender dysphoria and the feminization fetish are not mutually exclusive

Verbatim · February 28, 2019, 04:55:37 PM

Quote from: Carmen on February 28, 2019, 04:38:23 PM

your problem is that you see AGP and the feminization fetish as synonyms while theyre not

blanchard literally believes there are two different classes of trans women, and that they cant intermingle

but its not true - gender dysphoria and the feminization fetish are not mutually exclusive

i would agree, but i guess i just don't really see a point in not considering them to be synonymous, especially if it only makes describing a particular person's situation more convenient for them

if you wanna say blanchard's particular theory regarding AGP is bullshit, that's one thing

but saying that you have a "feminization fetish" to, what, avoid the connotations that blanchard has (apparently) injected into the discussion takes a lot more keystrokes than simply saying you have AGP, which is a very easily communicable idea in only three letters, whereas saying "i get off to the idea of being a girl" is more cumbersome

so unless blanchard himself coined the term, i don't see a practical advantage in avoiding the term wholesale when language is mostly about clarity and the efficient communication of ideas

even then, while it's okay to be uncomfortable with the term, if some people are indeed comfortable with it, i struggle to see the harm in that unless they're one of those people who uses it to delegitimatize people's dysphoria

certainly, anyone who uses the term as a slur is an asshole, but that goes for the abuse of literally any term

Elai · February 28, 2019, 07:02:44 PM

Ian is a little bitch.

Ian · February 28, 2019, 10:24:01 PM

>Random dude has what appears to be AGP
>Decides he's not trans and just has a fetish
>Calls himself AGP
>This is somehow wrong
>This is somehow dehumanizing trans people everywhere

Of course what's the point? I could be arguing 2+2=4 and you'd throw a tantrum trying to prove otherwise so it's pointless.

Quote from: Elai on February 28, 2019, 07:02:44 PM

Ian is a little bitch.

Elai · February 28, 2019, 10:51:01 PM

Quote from: Ian on February 28, 2019, 10:24:01 PM

>Random dude has what appears to be AGP
>Decides he's not trans and just has a fetish
>Calls himself AGP
>This is somehow wrong
>This is somehow dehumanizing trans people everywhere

I didn't even come close to suggesting that AGP was "wrong." In fact, I said the opposite. Go back and read my post if you need to. The term was explicitly created to delegitimise the plea of trans women. Anyone can understand why those women wouldn't want the term used in their circles, and bringing it up intentionally to goad Class is what is wrong about the post. You've done it twice now in recent memory, under the guise of curiosity. You're not fooling anyone.

Just go back to letting someone else speak for you like the little bitch you are.

Ian · February 28, 2019, 11:00:03 PM

Certainly not in this thread. However one shouldn't keep posting on a board that's obsessed with that word if it bothers them so much. That'd be like a black guy visiting Stormfront and getting pissy when they all say Nigger, what should you expect?

I'm not denying it's used as an insult, But in Class's logic, the word shouldn't exist at all which is just silly. Furthermore, looking further into Verbatim's comments, it would still be wrong to just say "You have a feminzation fetish" cause if it's a paraphilia that's incredibly different. AGP would be a pretty accurate term.

Quote from: Elai on February 28, 2019, 10:51:01 PM

I didn't even come close to suggesting that AGP was "wrong." In fact, I said the opposite. Go back and read my post if you need to. The term was explicitly created to delegitimise the plea of trans women. Anyone can understand why those women wouldn't want the term used in their circles, and bringing it up intentionally to goad Class is what is wrong about the post. You've done it twice now in recent memory, under the guise of curiosity. You're not fooling anyone.

Elai · March 01, 2019, 02:08:23 PM

Quote from: Ian on February 28, 2019, 11:00:03 PM

However one shouldn't keep posting on a board that's obsessed with that word if it bothers them so much. That'd be like a black guy visiting Stormfront and getting pissy when they all say Nigger, what should you expect?

Is this supposed to be an argument? Come on, now. You asked why it triggered him so much, and I explained why. It should have ended there.