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I neither fear, nor despise.
Premarital sex is disgusting and dangerous.

Marital sex is tolerable given you take the proper precautions.
Kek. I remember when I used to think I was better than other people for not having sex too.

Now you think you are better than other people for having sex.


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Out of curiosity, did my answer satisfy you?

I was AFK for a while and didn't get to respond

It does seem like a good reason to wait and by all means, go for it

But why is premarital sex bad?
Surely there are other ways of showing your dedication to your partner

Some people just don't see waiting as a necessary gesture to show love so why would they be wrong


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15 to my first girlfriend

Bitch broke my heart smh
Now she's obsessed with me cause I'm sexy and I just blow her off
You sucked her dick?
Her cock was way bigger than mine :/


 
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But why is premarital sex bad?

Well, if you're looking for a secular answer, I can't give you one. From a non-theist's perspective, nothing that two consenting adults do to each other could ever be "wrong". Inadvisable and stupid, sure (which I will argue it is, theist or not). But I don't have any reason to say it's wrong other than that my religious beliefs dictate such.

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Surely there are other ways of showing your dedication to your partner.


It just seems intuitive to me that the sexually promiscuous prior to marriage (which, let's face it, virtually all people today are) tend to end their marriages prematurely in divorce. There's no incentive to stick with your partner. It's no longer about being "in it together" with them, and divorce has become an excuse to be emotionally immature and lazy towards your partner. Yeah, marriages are hard work. Waiting until marriage demonstrates that you both take the responsibility seriously.

I mean, if you can find some other way to demonstrate that, by all means do it. But be honest with yourself. Don't just tell yourself you'll "find another way" so you can satisfy your animalistic tendencies.

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Some people just don't see waiting as a necessary gesture to show love so why would they be wrong

It's less about showing love and more about forging a lasting bond with another human being that transcends the natural (sinful) sexual urges we deal with on a daily basis. Committing yourself to an ideal as difficult to uphold as abstinence is quite the gesture in seriousness.


 
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If I already had popped my cherry I probably would be in a LOT of trouble.

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The intamacy involved with losing your virginity strengthens the relationship. There's more incentive to devote yourself to your "first," due to emotional attatchment and comfortability. There's also something to be said about controlling one's sexual urges past their adolescence (assuming you get married mid-to-late twenties.)

And this is all without mentioning the religious imperative, but I sense that would garner a less welcoming response.
Actually, a better reason would be for the safety net it provides for your family, should you ever happen to have a child (adopted, or by other decidedly unscrupulous means).

If you choose to have sex, and the one you're emotionally committed to is staunchly against abortion AND adoption, you have a responsibility to do everything in your power to make the child's life as good as it can get, if you have one with her (at least, if you're not strong enough to do the best thing and break up with her).

Legally married couples will have an easier time managing their shit because of the tax breaks, so that's really the only reason to get married. It makes raising a kid a little bit easier for you.

The reasons you gave can be accomplished without marriage, and aren't exactly reasons at all, to be honest.
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Actually, a better reason would be for the safety net it provides for your family, should you ever happen to have a child (adopted, or by other decidedly unscrupulous means).

How does waiting until marriage to have sex provide a safety net for a family that premarital sex wouldn't provide?

I agree that a stronger marriage = stronger safety net if that's what you're getting at, but uh... you can get married when your virginity was already taken, and still provide that safety net.

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If you choose to have sex, and the one you're emotionally committed to is staunchly against abortion AND adoption, you have a responsibility to do everything in your power to make the child's life as good as it can get, if you have one with her (at least, if you're not strong enough to do the best thing and break up with her).

Legally married couples will have an easier time managing their shit because of the tax breaks, so that's really the only reason to get married. It makes raising a kid a little bit easier for you.

Are these reasons to get married, or reasons to avoid premarital sex? I feel as though one of us is confused.

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The reasons you gave can be accomplished without marriage, and aren't exactly reasons at all, to be honest.

We tend to take married couples more seriously than common law couples, arbitrary or not, and that's what I'm trying to get at.


 
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Notice how my only reason to get married basically requires you to be a piece of shit human being.

So I mean, I don't see a great reason to be acting pious about who you have sex with, and under what conditions.

It's all terrible, and no--nothing is really all that more or less terrible than anything else. It's just all equally terrible.


 
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Notice how my only reason to get married basically requires you to be a piece of shit human being.

Human beings are shit, this is no surprise to anyone.

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So I mean, I don't see a great reason to be acting pious about who you have sex with, and under what conditions.

The goal is to fight promiscuity, something I assumed you would be on-board for.

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It's all terrible, and no--nothing is really all that more or less terrible than anything else. It's just all equally terrible.

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How does waiting until marriage to have sex provide a safety net for a family that premarital sex wouldn't provide?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Taxation

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Are these reasons to get married, or reasons to avoid premarital sex? I feel as though one of us is confused.
Reasons to get married, and I thought that was made abundantly clear.
Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 11:02:41 PM by Verbatim


 
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The goal is to fight promiscuity, something I assumed you would be on-board for.
All sex is retarded and pointless.

All sex is retarded and pointless.

Promiscuity is disgusting, but there is nothing morally wrong with it. It's just gross, and that's all you're saying.
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All sex is retarded and pointless.

Come on. Read into shit a little bit.


 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#Taxation

Are those who engage in premarital sex somehow exempt from the tax breaks marriage provides, once actually married? I think not.

It appears you were the one who was confused. Inglourious's question was asking why I think people should wait for marriage to have sex -- not why we should get married.

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Reasons to get married, and I thought I that was made abundantly clear.

Well no, like I said above, the original topic was why I think one should wait for marriage to engage in sex, but I'm game to change the subject.

Ultimately, there isn't really a great reason to get married. Theistically, Paul even instructs those of us who can avoid marriage, to do so. But most of us can't, and the guidelines of that path are very clear as well: premarital sex is a no go. This makes a lot pragmatic as well as religious sense. At least, to me.

But atheistically, the only reason would be tax benefit. Which isn't a great reason to commit to something as culturally significant as marriage.


 
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All sex is retarded and pointless.

All sex is retarded and pointless.

Promiscuity is disgusting, but there is nothing morally wrong with it. It's just gross, and that's all you're saying.

Great. So what's the problem?

I mean, it's not as though I haven't already admitted to it NOT being wrong from a secular viewpoint.
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Are those who engage in premarital sex somehow exempt from the tax breaks marriage provides, once actually married? I think not.
Who cares?

"Exempt" from tax exemptions would be a stupid way to phrase it--I'm not sure you even know what you're saying.
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It appears you were the one who was confused. Inglourious's question was asking why I think people should wait for marriage to have sex -- not why we should get married.
They're one in the same reason.

The only reason to get married is if you plan to have a family. Period.
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But atheistically, the only reason would be tax benefit.
Well there you go.

Great. So what's the problem?
Your previous inability to concede that
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atheistically, the only reason would be tax benefit.
but you've conceded that now.
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Who cares?

Uh, me? Because that's what the topic is focused on?

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They're one in the same reason. The only reason to get married is if you plan to have a family. Period.

Only for people like us. Not for everyone else.

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Your previous inability to concede that, but you've conceded that now.

I was never incapable of conceding that, so. . .
Last Edit: February 29, 2016, 11:18:04 PM by Eliab


 
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State your argument clearly so I know what you're getting at. Our conversation thus far has been centered around premarital sex, but you seem to be wanting to take it a different direction and that's confusing both of us.


 
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Uh, me? Because that's what the topic is focused on?
No it isn't. It's about marital tax exemptions. Not... exemptions from tax exemptions, whatever the fuck it was you were even trying to say.
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Only for people like us. Not for everyone else.
No, it applies to everyone. Logic is unbending--it doesn't change according to who you are or what you believe.


 
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State your argument clearly so I know what you're getting at.
I mean, that's what I've been doing--I've been trying not to insult your intelligence, but if you want me to do that, I certainly can.


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State your argument clearly so I know what you're getting at.
I mean, that's what I've been doing--I've been trying not to insult your intelligence, but if you want me to do that, I certainly can.

I find it quite interesting that the moment Prehistoric starts to disagree with you to a greater extent, you start acting like a jerk towards him.

You're an ass, Verb.
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No it isn't. It's about marital tax exemptions. Not... exemptions from tax exemptions, whatever the fuck it was you were even trying to say.

The entire catalyst of this conversation was because you fundamentally misunderstood what Inglourious and I were talking about. Anyways.

Tax breaks are given to both those married couples who engaged in premarital sex and those who didn't. That's what I'm trying to say. I was confused as to why you even brought this up in the first place, because it's so obvious and had nothing to do with my premarital sex bit. But now I know where the confusion lies.

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No, it applies to everyone. Logic is unbending--it doesn't change according to who you are or what you believe.

I agree. You and I have the right idea regarding sex -- that's the truth. The problem is, not everyone sees it that way. And I'm not going to be able to convince someone who enjoys sex that it's stupid because I think it's gross and a waste of time.

You get a lot of shit for doing this and no offense but I'm going to use my own brand of persuasion to get my point across.

Additionally, I don't know what you're getting so heated about. What's up with that?


 
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I find it quite interesting that the moment Prehistoric starts to diagaree with you to a greater extent, you start acting like a jerk towards him.

You're an ass, Verb.

I don't even think we disagree. I just seriously have no idea what he's on about.

He's just frustrated with me and my inability to reconcile with the idea of God. Little does he understand what and why I'm doing what I'm doing.


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I find it quite interesting that the moment Prehistoric starts to diagaree with you to a greater extent, you start acting like a jerk towards him.

You're an ass, Verb.
my inability to reconcile with the idea of God.

What do you mean? I know Verb is a hard line atheist, so I am assuming you mean that you are not entirely convinced of the non-existence of God.

He shouldn't be frustrated. You're not his protégé, and he's not your mentor. You make your own decisions, he doesn't have a say in the matter, and nor should he. He doesn't get to make you Verb Jr. and have you spout his bullshit if you don't want to.



 
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What do you mean? I know Verb is a hard line atheist, so I am assuming you mean that you are not entirely convinced of the non-existence of God.

I'm kind of a special case, here. I've accept Orthodox Christianity as my religious doctrine yet I can't seem to find a way to believe my God exists while remaining intellectually honest with myself. So in this sense (though I hate to label myself as such) I am a philosophically pessmistic atheistic orthodox Christian. A mouthful.

He's frustrated that I'm even considering Christianity as a possibility, but uh, he doesn't really get why I'm doing it.

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He shouldn't be frustrated. You're not his protégé, and he's not your mentor. You make your own decisions, he doesn't have a say in the matter, and nor should he. He doesn't get to make you Verb Jr. and have you spout his bullshit if you don't want to.

I don't know what to make of this, and I don't really agree with most of it, but I appreciate you, uh, supporting me. I guess.