Disclaimers: 90% of martial arts are fake, or incomplete
Self-defense classes are against people who don't know how to fight.

Am I less of a man for groan kicking and slap fighting?

Am I less of a man for groan kicking and slap fighting?

There's nothing wrong with groin kicking, but as for slaps it depends on your purpose. If you slap a person when you could attack with a better attack, then that's your loss, but a slap straight to the face could make the other person's eyes teary, which would give you quite the advantage.

edit: Groin kicks are GOAT against people who think that you're not gonna go for them. Most stances have the legs wide apart, which means that the person is inviting you for a groin kick. Groin kicks can end fights pretty quickly, and in fighting that's your goal.

You're right about self defense classes though. The ways that most people will tell me how they were taught to disarm someone makes me question reality and physics.

I'm right about everything in the OP.

Disarming is very simple, you don't have to make it complicated.

Which joints are most suspectable to being wrangled and causing pain?

In what contex, and what does wrangled mean?

If you're practicing and you don't know how to fall, your elbows are gonna hurt because you'll most likely deliberately land on them to take less damage to the body.

Oh and your ankles are probably gonna hurt as well if you kick and you miss, or if you jump a lot, or do movements where the ankle is moving.

Quote from: Desty on March 29, 2016, 08:31:16 AM

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Which joints are most suspectable to being wrangled and causing pain?

In what contex, and what does wrangled mean?

If you're practicing and you don't know how to fall, your elbows are gonna hurt because you'll most likely deliberately land on them to take less damage to the body.

Context: You wanna twist someone who's attacking you

I'd say the elbow is an apparent joint, but besides that?

What the fuck does that mean? the best places to grab in a fight against people who know what they're doing is the neck and tricep/side of bicep, or the forearm and tricep. You can't grab the person's wrist with both arms to get a submission while standing, because Aikido doesn't work.

I mean, if you're up against someone who just leaves their fist after it has been thrown, I guess you could grab the wrist, twist it and then go behind the person and press their arm against their back, but that's not really fighting as much as it is subduing a drunk person.

If you want to literally twist the person, watch the 14 second mark

Das is right, slapping without dealing real damage is a move for weak people. So is pinching, 'cause you might fuck up that person's flesh, but the wound you've created isn't gonna cause any serious damage to the attacker, so if the person can take your pinching/slapping then it isn't gonna do anything. You could however throw a backhand slap at the person's jaw so that their face turns to the side, and then throw a punch with the same hand. This would mean more damage from that punch since their face is turned towards your punch.

It's not that the martial arts are fake, it's that people mistake them for what they are.

They're called martial arts for a very specific reason. However, some of what they teach does have practical applications that you can use in regular dusty old day to day fighting.

So. Here's a question off the top of my head.

You ever been hit in the plexes?

Desty probably joined a karate class a week ago and fought two sparring matches

It's not that the martial arts are fake, it's that people mistake them for what they are.

They're called martial arts for a very specific reason. However, some of what they teach does have practical applications that you can use in regular dusty old day to day fighting.

So. Here's a question off the top of my head.

You ever been hit in the plexes?

The balls? At full force with no protection? No, but I have taken enough damage to have to take a break for a short while a few times when having a jock strap on.

Fav methods for preventing takedowns besides sprawling... Any easy to learn/useful wrestling techniques you recommend?


I've been boxing for about a year now and wanna focus more on wrestling to develop a practical base for defense/mma

A knee to the face could work quite well, but if you don't sprawl, if you don't lower yourself and put up an extended arm that prevents the other guy from coming close to you, or if you don't get one arm through the other person's armpit and the other guy has your leg and knows what he's doing, you're fucked if you're a newbie.

Something you could try to do if the person is charging straight at you, and you want it to be a friendly fight is to get into sprawl mode (you still want to be a bit above him), but get your left arm through the person's right armpit, then  hug him with both your arms and rotate your body to the left while taking a step back with your left leg (if you're borth orthodox) to try to use the person's forward force against them. If you do it correctly the guy will fall down, and you will be on top.

Oh, but if you don't know any grappling, but you're on top pounding the guy's face with your fists, I'm pretty sure you'll be the one with their back on the floor quite fast. A boxer shouldn't be on the ground. I would even advise against sprawling, 'cause if you're just on top of him he'll probably try to get around, and if he does you're screwed. So if you want to sprawl, get out of there fast afterwards.

Quote from: Desty on March 29, 2016, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on March 29, 2016, 12:24:53 PM

It's not that the martial arts are fake, it's that people mistake them for what they are.

They're called martial arts for a very specific reason. However, some of what they teach does have practical applications that you can use in regular dusty old day to day fighting.

So. Here's a question off the top of my head.

You ever been hit in the plexes?

The balls? At full force with no protection? No, but I have taken enough damage to have to take a break for a short while a few times when having a jock strap on.

No, the plexus. Lumbar plexus are the nerves on the side of your body above your hip bones. They're a nasty place to get hit in. I mean the balls sucks too, obviously. That's usually an instant KO for just about any guy.

But the lumbar area fucking hurts if somebody knows where to hit.

Oh yeah, I think I know the pain you're talking about. I haven't been hit there, but it's common that someone steps on that area with their knee in grappling, and when they do it usually hurts a lot.