Regarding the issue of Biased Moderation.

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we are open to constructive feedback as we have always been.
Oh really? Then why am I being told I can't discuss the topic?
You aren't....


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we are open to constructive feedback as we have always been.
Oh really? Then why am I being told I can't discuss the topic?
You aren't....
Except I literally have, and was even threatened with a ban if I did.

http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=6759.msg147434#new

That's a negative, you are open to give constructive feedback as everyone here always has been, especially in times like this community feedback is important.

However Slash warned you from posting un-constructive complaints publicly because it's against the rules and trying to start a flame war. That is not biased moderation, anyone who posted what you have would have been treated the exact same way.

I hope that helps clear some of your misconceptions :)



 
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The following isn't to be taken personally. I honestly don't think any members of this site are bad, the worst I'd describe someone is misguided.


Moderating specific members is horrible.

That system needs to get removed, ASAP, and I won't support the moderation if it continues. Ban the user if they get out of hand. It's a good idea on paper but it leaves so much room for more anger and bias it's not even funny.

Yeah, I get it's to try and stop inflammatory posts that cause pages of stupid internet drama, but I don't support censorship. If this site is so shitty that one idiotic response causes a hoard the mods can't handle then:

A) The moderation is completely ineffective, since clearly people don't care enough to watch what they post

or

B) This site has become such a circle jerk that it isn't going to survive long anyway.

As someone who isn't involved in any of this crapfest:

The drama needs to be stopped. This is the first time I've had issues with it so I'm not going to go crazy. But if this spirals out of control again I'm positive this site will die.

I feel that this recent incident was handled correctly in regards to the new rules.

I'm probably going to regret this, but I'm unhappy with the the lack of foresight. It should have been obvious that certain people in certain positions would stir trouble.

Anyone, not to brown nose, but promoting you was probably the best reaction to the recent events. It shows I can at least trust this site to stick together a little longer.

Overall the increased popularity of the site was incredibly bad timing, combined with Anarchy weekend I think a lot of new members were exposed to less than ideal conditions.

Moderation Bias should no longer be an issue, if it becomes a popular complaint again I hope more strict actions are taken.

As a final note, I do support temporary posting restrictions, but only in emergencies (when there is too much going on for the moderation team to handle and they need time to sort through posts). That being said, temporary restrictions shouldn't last a noticeably long period, and I'd only use them to not anger a member with a ban that was placed before fully understanding a situation.

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The warning system was put in place for minor offenses that, originally, would call for a temporary ban. In order from least to greatest restrictions, it goes watched >> moderated >> muted. All warnings decay over time, slipping down through the statuses until it reaches 0%, or non-moderated status.

It's not our intention to censor users here in terms of restricting what they can say; the practice is done to keep someone who obviously won't abide by verbal warnings from flooding the forum with rule-breaking posts. If a moderated individual's post isn't breaking any rules, then it will be approved.

Since we have so many members who can approve a post (4 monitors, 5 ninjas, and myself) it's extremely unlikely that someone's post will be held back just because someone doesn't like it. It's only going to be rejected if it breaks the rules (and Ninjas are the only ones who can reject a post).


Valid arguments, and I'm all for a "watched system"

I should make myself a little more clear.

Users requiring their posts to be approved feel censored and that's what counts (ex: some people in this thread).

While having an approval system keeps people in line during fits of emotion, it also is a major cause of more anger and feelings of mistreatment. If you know that all of your posts are being hand approved, you feel singled out. It's the same for the watch system, however with the approval system you have the feeling of being singled out and the feeling of censorship. The approval system is unintentionally harsher then a ban, when it's being used as the step before a ban.

It doesn't matter the intentions, or if it's being used in a non-biased manner.

Saying that a moderated system is always censorship is a big step, but it doesn't require a large imagination to see how easy it is to abuse.

Are moderated users sent back unapproved posts and reasoning behind the denial in a PM? If users don't know why there posts are being denied they can't learn from mistakes.

I'm just trying to alleviate the separation of staff and user base. The last thing a small site needs are users disliking moderation.



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Try being a member of staff when it happened, I don't know if I should sigh or chuckle at that...


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Man I thought that the Drama with Anarchy was bad. What the hell happened while I had the flu.


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Man I thought that the Drama with Anarchy was bad. What the hell happened while I had the flu.
I was gone as well. It seemed this pot boiled over while we weren't watching.


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Man I thought that the Drama with Anarchy was bad. What the hell happened while I had the flu.
This is the aftermath of this last Anarchy.
Really? I thought the issue was just with some moderators and people making some bad moves in terms of posts. This right here just looks like a rule change that irritated some users and some got really irritated.


 
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Hmm...
Man I thought that the Drama with Anarchy was bad. What the hell happened while I had the flu.
This is the aftermath of this last Anarchy.
Really? I thought the issue was just with some moderators and people making some bad moves in terms of posts. This right here just looks like a rule change that irritated some users and some got really irritated.
It's more like the very slight aftershock of Anarchy. People were dicks and the Ninja team agreed that some of our rules needed to be revised and updated.

A few people were...unhappy...with the rules and certain members of the mod team.


 
 
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I agree, for some things, a mod forum is needed, but for example, what happened with the Meta name, a private mod discussion isn't needed.
Saying it is, is obviously bullshit. You don't need a discussion over whether spamming the forum with pointless threads is a bad thing.
That shouldn't have even been a thing with the last ruleset.


 
 
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Hmm...
Mod forums are a pretty common practice. I don't see the problem.
We're not your typical mod forum though. We are not a company or organization where mods are an "external" power. We were all part of the same thing, all equal and with just as many (or little) rights as everyone else. Changing that up by giving a handful of people powers and dealing with business behind closed doors can be pretty detrimental to a small community like ours. It creates a divide.between people.

People are writing this off as assholes just looking for an excuse to continue being assholes, but there's genuine complaints to be made here. We used to all be the same, just regular members of Bnet looking for a place that wouldn't get screwed over by Bungie. There was a time where we were all equal, knew just as much as the next guy and had the same voice in affairs as anyone. Now, that balance is gone. But it is not necessarily that which is the problem. Moderation is a necessary evil. There need to be a few mature people that can be trusted to keep an eye on things. But all this secrecy? Hell no.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: transparency is key. Not this "sorry, this is top secret mod and drama bsns that goes way over your head, better be quiet" bullshit that has been going on lately.
I think you may be looking too much into our mod forum. It's less of a secret meeting room and more of a bulletin board for letting everyone on staff know who is causing problems, what to look out for, and who would make good staff in the future.

We do have some stuff that needs to stay hush hush, like discussions on individual members, but it's nowhere near as shady as you're making it out to be.


 
 
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