Well, just about every sci-fi universe has it's spaceships as navy rather than air force, even though the later seems to make more sense. Since we've got our big ass space ships under the naval department, it only makes sense that the dudes that ride around on them are marines. Now, way back when, like, way fucking back when, like, when dragoons were still a thing outside of ceremony... marines were navy riflemen for boarding ships and raiding ports. Armies fought on the ground. In WWII, we see the US marine become an amphibious island hopping guy. The army also conducted numerous amphibious and airborne assaults in Europe. Now, in Afghanistan, marines walk around in a desert shooting brown people. Army soldiers do the same, but without the marine's douchey ego. In short: the Army calls the AF for A-10's for CAS when fighting hadjis while the Marine Corps calls up it's own outdated fleet of Harriers.
Marines are tougher
Navy in space doesn't make any sense.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on December 03, 2014, 02:46:12 PMNavy in space doesn't make any sense. People see space more as an ocean, and groups of starships like modern fleets and carrier groups. Additionally, the Navy's secondary role for transport and sustainment is given to these space navies. There's also the romanticisation of old sea captains and epic battles on the high seas (only this time in SPAAAAAAACE.)At least, I think that's the most compelling reason for why it's always the Navy and not th Air Force.
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Oh, I had to do a lot of research on this for my own novel.The US Marines are a rapid response force typically seen as more 'elite' and better trained (and that's not an unfounded idea). The army is a much less selective military branch, with a much higher passing rate. The American marines are typically used as shock forces (that is, the first ones on the frontline) while the army typically, though not always, arrives later. Soldiers are in the army; this might not be true in your story, but in real life you never refer to a marine as a soldier. The US Marines are primarily riflemen; every one of them is trained to use one, regardless of what their actual job is within their group. The army, on the other hand, tends to specialize their recruits to a specific task, though they all receive at least rudimentary training in infantry combat.The marines in your story seem more like the British Royal Marines, though. American marines focus more on turning people into marines; the Royal Marines are much more exclusive in their pickings, much like in your story. You have to already be among the best and the toughest to join the Royal Marines. Unlike the US Marines, they are commandos, more akin to the Navy SEALs.Both are considered underequipped and undermanned when compared to their respective armies. Neither has any combat medics, as they are all supplied by their respective navies.
Quote from: Lord Keksworth on December 03, 2014, 03:27:30 PMOh, I had to do a lot of research on this for my own novel.The US Marines are a rapid response force typically seen as more 'elite' and better trained (and that's not an unfounded idea). The army is a much less selective military branch, with a much higher passing rate. The American marines are typically used as shock forces (that is, the first ones on the frontline) while the army typically, though not always, arrives later. Soldiers are in the army; this might not be true in your story, but in real life you never refer to a marine as a soldier. The US Marines are primarily riflemen; every one of them is trained to use one, regardless of what their actual job is within their group. The army, on the other hand, tends to specialize their recruits to a specific task, though they all receive at least rudimentary training in infantry combat.The marines in your story seem more like the British Royal Marines, though. American marines focus more on turning people into marines; the Royal Marines are much more exclusive in their pickings, much like in your story. You have to already be among the best and the toughest to join the Royal Marines. Unlike the US Marines, they are commandos, more akin to the Navy SEALs.Both are considered underequipped and undermanned when compared to their respective armies. Neither has any combat medics, as they are all supplied by their respective navies.Well the marines are seperated into some main groups; ExoWar, responsible for 0G ops and boarding/ defending capital ships, DPT soldiers (Drop Pod Troop) or colloquially knwon as Stormtroopers are much like ODST's, the CENTURION takes the best of the maries as the personal guard for the HVTs and the Sentinel program (temp nameuntil I think of a better one after realising the similarities to Halo) is robotic drones like Titanfall's spectres. Marines are more heavily armoured and heavily equipped, and trained in the use of all weapons as well as encouranged to create a custom loadout of weapons and armour upgrades to suit their preferences. In battle, they drop as a squad in a single pd or ship and take the fight as a shock force against the enemy before additional reinfocrements arrive.The army is more standardised, having designated squad roles. They don't use power ssisted armour (They still have genetic upgrades though) and are a long occupant force for combat in seigeworks or other long operations. They also make more use of vehicles and artillery and also have another small branch for policing operations (The Colonial Police are a direct part of the military) alongside setting up bases for permanent defence. Both have their own dropships and helicopters, and the Air Force is relegated to mainly dogfights, escorts and bombing runs. there is a separate branch of Combat Aid including Resupply Corps, Medical Corps and Engineering corps which all aid in combat zones by brining ammo and supplies, medevac and vehcile repair, respectively. This services all branches of the military.Overall, the rank system and roles of soldiers are both based off the royal army, marines, navy and air force, with the additonal branches of SpecWar and NonCom. The SAS/ SEAL type black ops stuff is done by the Dragonfires, a subbranch of Special Warfare.
Quote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 04:33:21 PMQuote from: Lord Keksworth on December 03, 2014, 03:27:30 PMOh, I had to do a lot of research on this for my own novel.The US Marines are a rapid response force typically seen as more 'elite' and better trained (and that's not an unfounded idea). The army is a much less selective military branch, with a much higher passing rate. The American marines are typically used as shock forces (that is, the first ones on the frontline) while the army typically, though not always, arrives later. Soldiers are in the army; this might not be true in your story, but in real life you never refer to a marine as a soldier. The US Marines are primarily riflemen; every one of them is trained to use one, regardless of what their actual job is within their group. The army, on the other hand, tends to specialize their recruits to a specific task, though they all receive at least rudimentary training in infantry combat.The marines in your story seem more like the British Royal Marines, though. American marines focus more on turning people into marines; the Royal Marines are much more exclusive in their pickings, much like in your story. You have to already be among the best and the toughest to join the Royal Marines. Unlike the US Marines, they are commandos, more akin to the Navy SEALs.Both are considered underequipped and undermanned when compared to their respective armies. Neither has any combat medics, as they are all supplied by their respective navies.Well the marines are seperated into some main groups; ExoWar, responsible for 0G ops and boarding/ defending capital ships, DPT soldiers (Drop Pod Troop) or colloquially knwon as Stormtroopers are much like ODST's, the CENTURION takes the best of the maries as the personal guard for the HVTs and the Sentinel program (temp nameuntil I think of a better one after realising the similarities to Halo) is robotic drones like Titanfall's spectres. Marines are more heavily armoured and heavily equipped, and trained in the use of all weapons as well as encouranged to create a custom loadout of weapons and armour upgrades to suit their preferences. In battle, they drop as a squad in a single pd or ship and take the fight as a shock force against the enemy before additional reinfocrements arrive.The army is more standardised, having designated squad roles. They don't use power ssisted armour (They still have genetic upgrades though) and are a long occupant force for combat in seigeworks or other long operations. They also make more use of vehicles and artillery and also have another small branch for policing operations (The Colonial Police are a direct part of the military) alongside setting up bases for permanent defence. Both have their own dropships and helicopters, and the Air Force is relegated to mainly dogfights, escorts and bombing runs. there is a separate branch of Combat Aid including Resupply Corps, Medical Corps and Engineering corps which all aid in combat zones by brining ammo and supplies, medevac and vehcile repair, respectively. This services all branches of the military.Overall, the rank system and roles of soldiers are both based off the royal army, marines, navy and air force, with the additonal branches of SpecWar and NonCom. The SAS/ SEAL type black ops stuff is done by the Dragonfires, a subbranch of Special Warfare.Very interesting stuff. And you're considering posting what you write every week?By the way, I wouldn't care about similarities to Halo or anything else if I were you. Anything anybody thinks up will invariably be similar to something somebody else already made, and nobody really minds, so why worry about it?
Armies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.
Quote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.
Quote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.Happens. Marines have longer bootcamp training than average soldiers, meaning that they are mostly better trained.
Quote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.Happens. Marines have longer bootcamp training than average soldiers, meaning that they are mostly better trained.It was interesting, but not really relevant to what I'm looking for. I'm horrible at research.
Quote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.Happens. Marines have longer bootcamp training than average soldiers, meaning that they are mostly better trained.I don't even understand how that's an argument. Their physical requirements are tougher, they spend more time on the range, the hikes are longer.
Quote from: SexyPiranha on December 03, 2014, 06:01:41 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.Happens. Marines have longer bootcamp training than average soldiers, meaning that they are mostly better trained.I don't even understand how that's an argument. Their physical requirements are tougher, they spend more time on the range, the hikes are longer.There has always been rivalry in between branches...except the Air Force.
Quote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:57:32 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:51:13 PMQuote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:51 PMQuote from: The Eagle on December 03, 2014, 05:46:12 PMArmies fight on land and are brought in as a first attack force...Marines are transported via ships and are generally better trained than your regular Army grunt. The way that Halo did it was most correct since Marines can be found within Navy vessels while Army Troopers are more of a defensive military branch. Google is my friend.Google wasn't my friend. All I found was arguments about which was better trained.Happens. Marines have longer bootcamp training than average soldiers, meaning that they are mostly better trained.It was interesting, but not really relevant to what I'm looking for. I'm horrible at research.Speaking of it, what kind of military is your story trying to resemble? The US Military is pretty easy to copy because how organized it is. If you want to stand out you might want to do something different though.
One thing I pride myself on is that in making everything fit with real physics as best I can, the other being that I'm not blatantly copying other works.To me, robotic drones called sentinels that go round and shoot stuff is past the copying boundary for me. Hell, I woul t have called my main faction the Imperium if I knew about WH40K at the time, but now it's too much work to change.You're right that I can't be 100% original, but I can damn well try. I hope to at least get a universe that surpasses Destiny's lore which I believe I'm close to/ have done (The Grimoire stuff which is genuinely interesting) with just the human lore and a bit of the alien culture. I haven't done their detailed timelines weapons and colonies yet. I have over 150 stars named and every single one will have a detailed solar system including sequence and type and atmosphere and history for planets. I love reading the codex in Mass Effect and the detail it goes into, and hope to get that level of complexity at a minimum. I even detail each weapon manufacturer and all their shit.
Quote from: BaconShelf on December 03, 2014, 05:49:05 PMOne thing I pride myself on is that in making everything fit with real physics as best I can, the other being that I'm not blatantly copying other works.To me, robotic drones called sentinels that go round and shoot stuff is past the copying boundary for me. Hell, I woul t have called my main faction the Imperium if I knew about WH40K at the time, but now it's too much work to change.You're right that I can't be 100% original, but I can damn well try. I hope to at least get a universe that surpasses Destiny's lore which I believe I'm close to/ have done (The Grimoire stuff which is genuinely interesting) with just the human lore and a bit of the alien culture. I haven't done their detailed timelines weapons and colonies yet. I have over 150 stars named and every single one will have a detailed solar system including sequence and type and atmosphere and history for planets. I love reading the codex in Mass Effect and the detail it goes into, and hope to get that level of complexity at a minimum. I even detail each weapon manufacturer and all their shit.Good, good. Worldbuilding is fun, isn't it? That's the thing that I have a problem with - I do too much worldbuilding and not enough actual writing.And, personally, I see taking things from other works as 'inspiration', not 'ripping off'. I see the Space Marines in 40k and I think, 'yeah, I like those. I want to make something with a similar idea, but not quite the same'.As long as it's not overly similar there's no problem. If it's the exact same thing with a different name, then it's a problem, but if it's done well, nobody cares if it's ripped off.
What is the difference between the army and marines? [writing related]
