Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:45:17 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:42:19 PM

I'd take that risk. Insects are a remnant of the past, tbh. If they were suddenly eliminated, life would find a way.

Do you want to live in a mould-ridden wasteland with ridiculously expensive water and living solely off a paste grown in a lab? Didn't think so.

That's not a guaranteed outcome.

But it would be something similar. It wouldn't be any better than the hypothetical outcome.

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:47:07 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:46:15 PM

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:45:17 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:42:19 PM

I'd take that risk. Insects are a remnant of the past, tbh. If they were suddenly eliminated, life would find a way.

Do you want to live in a mould-ridden wasteland with ridiculously expensive water and living solely off a paste grown in a lab? Didn't think so.

That's not a guaranteed outcome.

But it would be something similar. It wouldn't be any better than the hypothetical outcome.

No, it wouldn't. Like I said, humans are more than capable of self-sustaining an ecosystem, as long as it's human-centric.

That is what our human centric ecosystem would be like, as most humans would be wiped out.

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 23, 2015, 03:45:30 PM

None. Because I'm not a sick fuck.

Why are you so hubristic?

It keeps me sane. The realization that everyone around you isn't as ethical as you are? It kinda wears on you.

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:49:44 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:48:03 PM

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:47:07 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:46:15 PM

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 03:45:17 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:42:19 PM

I'd take that risk. Insects are a remnant of the past, tbh. If they were suddenly eliminated, life would find a way.

Do you want to live in a mould-ridden wasteland with ridiculously expensive water and living solely off a paste grown in a lab? Didn't think so.

That's not a guaranteed outcome.

But it would be something similar. It wouldn't be any better than the hypothetical outcome.

No, it wouldn't. Like I said, humans are more than capable of self-sustaining an ecosystem, as long as it's human-centric.

That is what our human centric ecosystem would be like, as most humans would be wiped out.

No, we wouldn't. We can easily breed the same animals and grow the same crops with the absence of insects. If anything, it would help us more.

Your problem is that you're thinking of nature. Gardens and farms are as far from nature as you can get.

It would be a struggle to keep those animals alive and instead we'd probably switch to growing genetically modified meat in labs. They're already trying to get us to eat it today because we're unsustainable, but it has proven highly unpopular.

Crops would also be genetically modified beyond recognition and famine would be widespread because of mold and the general shortage of food.

The explaining is getting rather arduous. I can't be bothered with this anymore.

If you want to know the answer, you should read a book called Dust by Charles Pellegrino or do some simple research into how ecosystems work, as I said before.

Quote from: Naru on September 23, 2015, 03:10:50 PM

class, nothing would be alive if they couldnt feel pain.

Plants

Bacteria

Protists

Fungi

yeah tbh this shouldnt have even needed a post

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 23, 2015, 03:52:31 PM

Quote from: Carsonogen on September 23, 2015, 03:46:34 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 23, 2015, 03:45:30 PM

None. Because I'm not a sick fuck.

Why are you so hubristic?

It keeps me sane. The realization that everyone around you isn't as ethical as you are? It kinda wears on you.

Ethics are overrated. And people are just...better than insects/animals, anyway.

I'll agree with you on that one. I don't understand how anyone could advocate the extinction of humans - we're the best organism nature has produced - billions of years of evolution and natural selection has resulted in us, discussing how great we are on a mother fucking computer. Has any other organism done that? NO.

We're god damn super-predators. We target adult animals instead of the young, which no other animal would normally do because of the risk factor. We're causing a MOTHERFUCKING extinction event because of our behavior. Has any other organism done that? NOPE.

We kill animals at the top of the food chain 9 times more than they kill each other. Animals are actually evolving to be smaller as a result of us, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

We're not even really a part of the food chain anymore. We've completely changed the rules.

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 04:11:19 PM

I'll agree with you on that one. I don't understand how anyone could advocate the extinction of humans - we're the best organism nature has produced - billions of years of evolution and natural selection has resulted in us, discussing how great we are on a mother fucking computer. Has any other organism achieved that? NO.

We're god damn super-predators. We target adult animals instead of the young, which no other animal would normally do because of the risk factor (it's actually why we're unsustainable, but still).

We kill animals at the top of the food chain 9 times more than they kill each other. Animals are actually evolving to be smaller as a result of us, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

We're not even really a part of the food chain anymore. We've completely changed the rules.

Everything you just described is precisely why I hate humans so much. Plus your attitude.

All other predators engage in the same destructive behavior and something else would eventually take our place if we went extinct.

All other predators engage in the same destructive behavior and something else would eventually take our place if we went extinct.

Which is why I want all life to go extinct.

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 23, 2015, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: Connoisseur of Dicks on September 23, 2015, 04:14:39 PM

All other predators engage in the same destructive behavior and something else would eventually take our place if we went extinct.

Which is why I want all life to go extinct.

But existence is good, in and of itself.

Wrong.

Oh lawdy, agreeing with verb.
This is an odd day.

we don't disagree that much

no more than i disagree with the average user, anyway lol

Oh lawdy, agreeing with verb.
This is an odd day.

You see I first read the post and thought it was worded negatively, but uh... nope. It's true, humans are so far one of the apex species but that's not really a good thing. The rats on mauritius were apex there, they massacred damn near all the native birds and that's not a good thing at all.

A universe filled with nothing but murderous creatures isn't really something to cherish, humans should be using their evolutionary insight to make things better for other creatures not just slaughtering them for amusement, easy food and via carelessness.

(That's where we'd diverge on the point I imagine verb)

Humans have the gift of sentience, and we waste it by being no better than rats.

That's essentially what I was going to say. We can change - humans and our intelligence are a relatively new thing, so of course we still generally hold on to our predatory instincts. Some of us are beginning to see the error of our ways, but the general populace doesn't.

I'd just like to add that I never said our behaviour was a good thing - I was just pointing out how it is right now and looking at it from an outsider's perspective. We are amazing in both good and bad ways.