Andrew Jackson is 100% getting replaced by Harriet Tubman on the 20 dollar bill

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What? Do you think I should praise you for saying something stupid?


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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im of the opinion that just about everyone currently immortalized on american coins and dollars needs to be replaced.
This is ridiculous. You don't start changing historical artifacts and memorials to suit the social climate of the time. For better or worse, those we honor through currency and names on buildings were important figures of the nation.
their stories should be taught to the people within their contexts. we shouldnt celebrate genocidal maniacs like jackson by spreading their image around via currency. this isnt like sandblasting the memorial on stone mountain. youre retarded.
I'm retarded? I'm not the one who sincerely thinks having someone's representation on a government artifact means the government condones what they did. We have an officially maintained Robert E. Lee memorial, because he was a big part of a huge, defining moment in our country's history. Andrew Jackson is no different.

There's no difference between a representation on a government bill and representation on a government memorial. If you think one necessitates an acceptance of the person as a whole, then the other would also have to.
Last Edit: April 20, 2016, 06:41:33 PM by ALIE


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im of the opinion that just about everyone currently immortalized on american coins and dollars needs to be replaced.
This is ridiculous. You don't start changing historical artifacts and memorials to suit the social climate of the time. For better or worse, those we honor through currency and names on buildings were important figures of the nation.
their stories should be taught to the people within their contexts. we shouldnt celebrate genocidal maniacs like jackson by spreading their image around via currency. this isnt like sandblasting the memorial on stone mountain. youre retarded.
I'm retarded? I'm not the one who sincerely thinks having someone's representation on a government artifact means the government condones what they did. We have an officially maintained Robert E. Lee memorial, because he was a big part of a huge, defining moment in our country's history. Andrew Jackson is no different.

There's no difference between a representation on a government bill and representation on a government memorial. If you think one necessitates acceptance of the person as a whole, then the other would also have to.
It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person. And yes, you are retarded, I dunno why you asked.


 
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Deci, Jackson was taught in California history classes. Maybe you should try paying attention next time.


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If you held everyone in the 1800s to today's standards, history textbooks would be blank.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
β€”Judge Aaron Satie
β€”β€”Carmen
im of the opinion that just about everyone currently immortalized on american coins and dollars needs to be replaced.
This is ridiculous. You don't start changing historical artifacts and memorials to suit the social climate of the time. For better or worse, those we honor through currency and names on buildings were important figures of the nation.
their stories should be taught to the people within their contexts. we shouldnt celebrate genocidal maniacs like jackson by spreading their image around via currency. this isnt like sandblasting the memorial on stone mountain. youre retarded.
I'm retarded? I'm not the one who sincerely thinks having someone's representation on a government artifact means the government condones what they did. We have an officially maintained Robert E. Lee memorial, because he was a big part of a huge, defining moment in our country's history. Andrew Jackson is no different.

There's no difference between a representation on a government bill and representation on a government memorial. If you think one necessitates acceptance of the person as a whole, then the other would also have to.
It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person. And yes, you are retarded, I dunno why you asked.
Oh my god, you're legitimately mentally slow in some way if you're not trolling right now. Historical monuments don't imply approval in any form, they exist solely to remember our past and where we've been. Greece has state-recognozed sites and monuments to ancient rulers; would you really say that's an approval of everything that historically displaced person ever did? I guess that means the nation of Greece doesn't have a problem with a torture device like the Brazen Bull.

When you apply this ridiculously liberal standard to representing historical figures in our monuments to any country that's not less than 300 years old, you see how the logic completely falls apart.
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If you held everyone in the 1800s to today's standards, history textbooks would be blank.
No they wouldn't. We can censure the history of violence and hatred without erasing it. We can also choose not to celebrate those who exercised violence and hatred.
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Deci, Jackson was taught in California history classes. Maybe you should try paying attention next time.

Well I did slack a lot in elementary and middle school. I didn't have a real appreciation for history until I was in high school.
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.

It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person.
Not necessarily.

YouTube

^supportive argument


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It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person.
Not necessarily.

YouTube

^supportive argument
thats a solid video; he makes good points and i pretty much agree completely. i already addressed this sort of; i think the issue of representing "heroes" (i like that he used it in the classical sense and i do think the term is applicable to jackson in this context) on currency is distinct from things like artistic monuments. for instance, i dont think the stone mountain monument should be sandblasted. i just think its a bit odd to have genocidal maniacs like jackson immortalized on symbols of value. i think we can memorialize him and properly contextualize his actions without associating his likeness with money/prosperity/value/grams of weed/what have you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/04/20/u-s-to-keep-hamilton-on-front-of-10-bill-put-portrait-of-harriet-tubman-on-20-bill/?tid=a_inl

also, apparently hes just moving to the back of the bill. tubman on the front and a slaveowning murderer on the back. weird.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.

It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person.
Not necessarily.

YouTube

^supportive argument
thats a solid video; he makes good points and i pretty much agree completely. i already addressed this sort of; i think the issue of representing "heroes" (i like that he used it in the classical sense and i do think the term is applicable to jackson in this context) on currency is distinct from things like artistic monuments. for instance, i dont think the stone mountain monument should be sandblasted. i just think its a bit odd to have genocidal maniacs like jackson immortalized on symbols of value. i think we can memorialize him and properly contextualize his actions without associating his likeness with money/prosperity/value/grams of weed/what have you.
That's a fair enough view.

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also, apparently hes just moving to the back of the bill. tubman on the front and a slaveowning murderer on the back. weird.
Now that is pretty weird... have we ever had portraits on both sides of a circulated note before?


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It's most definitely an implicit approval of his person.
Not necessarily.

YouTube

^supportive argument
thats a solid video; he makes good points and i pretty much agree completely. i already addressed this sort of; i think the issue of representing "heroes" (i like that he used it in the classical sense and i do think the term is applicable to jackson in this context) on currency is distinct from things like artistic monuments. for instance, i dont think the stone mountain monument should be sandblasted. i just think its a bit odd to have genocidal maniacs like jackson immortalized on symbols of value. i think we can memorialize him and properly contextualize his actions without associating his likeness with money/prosperity/value/grams of weed/what have you.
That's a fair enough view.

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also, apparently hes just moving to the back of the bill. tubman on the front and a slaveowning murderer on the back. weird.
Now that is pretty weird... have we ever had portraits on both sides of a circulated note before?
I dunno, apparently they're doing double portraits for the women on the other bills too or something like that.


 
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ALSO

i could be wrong, but wasn't andrew jackson, like, super against paper currency anyway?

didn't he plan to abolish paper currency when he was elected, or some shit?


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Not necessarily, he killed the national bank. He didn't have anything against banks, just government owned one.

So yes, it is a bit ironic he's on a Federal reserve note.

ALSO

i could be wrong, but wasn't andrew jackson, like, super against paper currency anyway?

didn't he plan to abolish paper currency when he was elected, or some shit?


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
ALSO

i could be wrong, but wasn't andrew jackson, like, super against paper currency anyway?

didn't he plan to abolish paper currency when he was elected, or some shit?
He preferred coinage, yes, and would have fought tooth and nail to preserve the gold standard.


 
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so he wouldn't have wanted to be on the twenny anyway


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Probably not.

so he wouldn't have wanted to be on the twenny anyway


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Why is anybody even upset over this?


 
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Why is anybody even upset over this?
i'm convinced that no one actually is--it's just that it's so much more fun to be "ironic," and to pretend that everything is backwards, because circlejerks are boring

everyone already knows people like hitler were evil, so it seems silly to even discuss it--so you pretend he was actually doing humanity a favor. why? because the reactions you get from people when you say that are pretty funny

if we all sat around talking about how bad people like hitler were, it would be boring--it's an insult to your intelligence, so we come up with other, more interesting ways of expressing that, like "hitler was actually a great man"

which essentially translates to, "of course hitler was bad, you 10 year old--allow me to offend you as much as you're offending me by stating such an obvious fact"

that's why i'd describe our sense of humor as "post-ironic"

some people (like das) almost make a game out of this sort of thing, glazing their entire body of beliefs with a thick layer of post-irony, because liberals today have a tendency to state the obvious a lot, and it gets annoying


 
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i could be looking into it too much though, but that's what i think's going on

personally, whenever deci gives us those meandering lectures about why hitler was evil, i almost want to just roll my eyes and say "no, hitler was amazing, you don't know shit you brainwashed liberal fuck"

i don't though, but some people like to take it that far
and i can see why they would, because it is rather insulting to your intelligence

i just don't let it bother me as much


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You hit the nail on the head, although with people like Das the coating is so thick that he wont admit this is the case. Breaking out of character isn't bad, but I guess he wants to avoid my situation on B.next where people would get confused when I was being serious and when i was just fucking around.

Although it's also because crazy feats like what Jackson (and a more positively remembered Teddy Roosevelt) did are now unheard of. Presidential campaigns and their terms that follow have become so dull and lifeless in comparison to the bat shit insane adventures our countries leaders performed in the past. Teddy had his boat stolen by thieves when he went camping, so he goes and builds another boat and spends his entire trip hunting them down. Now a days you couldn't sneeze within 1000 ft of that boat without being tackled and jailed without Mr. President knowing.

I'm not going to say what some of our leaders did was admirable, but other instances in their history have to make you go back and go "Holy shit this guy is Based as FUCK."

i'm convinced that no one actually is--it's just that it's so much more fun to be "ironic," and to pretend that everything is backwards, because circlejerks are boring

everyone already knows people like hitler were evil, so it seems silly to even discuss it--so you pretend he was actually doing humanity a favor. why? because the reactions you get from people when you say that are pretty funny

if we all sat around talking about how bad people like hitler were, it would be boring--it's an insult to your intelligence, so we come up with other, more interesting ways of expressing that, like "hitler was actually a great man"

which essentially translates to, "of course hitler was bad, you 10 year old--allow me to offend you as much as you're offending me by stating such an obvious fact"

that's why i'd describe our sense of humor as "post-ironic"

some people (like das) almost make a game out of this sort of thing, glazing their entire body of beliefs with a thick layer of post-irony, because liberals today have a tendency to state the obvious a lot, and it gets annoying


 
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teddy roosevelt was always my favorite historical pres, just because he was such a bamf


 
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Just pointing out that this isn't 100%.

It can still be vetoed by whoever succeeds Obama.


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What a swell guy