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God exists and you will realize that when you grow up and you're not an edgy little kid.

Can you explain this to me in anything other than cliches and platitudes?

No thanks.

Just remember this conversation 10 years from now.

Hmm, so you have nothing to say.

No not really. All that matters is I know for a fact that God exists. If you don't, thats fine. I just think eventually you'll change your tone.

If you're so confident in your beliefs that atheists don't matter because they'll "change their tone" eventually, then why do you feel the need to say all of this? If you're not even remotely open to the possibility of new ideas but refuse to explain and defend your own from others, then what is the point in participating in this conversation at all?
You have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation and you're just wasting people's time.

ok kid

See this is why you're so easily dismissed.

Why would I care if I'm easily dismissed on a dead forum?

I don't know man, why do you care if some dude has different beliefs than you on a dead forum?

I don't. I thought I made that clear.

I don't. I thought I made that clear.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Someone who truly doesn't care wouldn't be so purposely condescending, and come up with labels for people with dissenting points of view like "edgy kids." The fact that you entered into this conversation alludes to you having some degree of concern over loaf's topic, but your complete refusal to be empathetic to other viewpoints and your condescending nature alludes to your concern not being out of curiosity and a desire to learn other beliefs.

So basically it looks like you just disagree with certain people, and their beliefs matter to you enough that you feel the need to berate them. This is a perfectly valid stance to have, honestly, you have a right to free speech. Just own up to it.

Someone like verbatim takes this stance all the time, and he acknowledges it, but what really separates him from what you're doing is that he actually explains his perspective and makes an attempt to defend his beliefs, which adds to the discussion.

You're just coming in here like,"no you're just an edgy kid, I don't have to explain why, you'll see one day. . ."

Essentially adding nothing to the discussion.

Quote from: PSU on December 01, 2016, 03:19:35 PM

I don't. I thought I made that clear.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Someone who truly doesn't care wouldn't be so purposely condescending, and come up with labels for people with dissenting points of view like "edgy kids." The fact that you entered into this conversation alludes to you having some degree of concern over loaf's topic, but your complete refusal to be empathetic to other viewpoints and your condescending nature alludes to your concern not being out of curiosity and a desire to learn other beliefs.

So basically it looks like you just disagree with certain people, and their beliefs matter to you enough that you feel the need to berate them. This is a perfectly valid stance to have, honestly, you have a right to free speech. Just own up to it.

Someone like verbatim takes this stance all the time, and he acknowledges it, but what really separates him from what you're doing is that he actually explains his perspective and makes an attempt to defend his beliefs, which adds to the discussion.

You're just coming in here like,"no you're just an edgy kid, I don't have to explain why, you'll see one day. . ."

Essentially adding nothing to the discussion.

You don't have to "buy" anything. No one cares.

Loaf's post seems edgy and I always hesitate to talk about atheism on the internet, but still.

When I look at a mountain range filled with trees, animals, and rivers, look up and see a huge cosmic generator giving them life, and having it all live in perfect harmony - I think the fact that it just happened through billions of years of astronomical progress is so much more beautiful and awe inspiring than if a magic humanlike god willed it all into existence.

I agree with the part about nature, but my point isn't edgy. We need to make these people stop holding their stupid beliefs somehow, because the world would be much better off without it.

For one, supernatural and religious thinkers have a hard time understanding the natural world. That's why in their heads something like religion makes sense to them. If you take away magical thinking and replace it with skepticism and desire for evidence, you have a much smarter civilization. You also have a civilization who doesn't base their hope for the world on the afterlife, instead of focusing on more productive things like how they can actually look at the life they have as beautiful and worth while. And you take away people's prejudices that arise from when religion divides people, you stop having all these stupid problems with the government where they try to implement laws about social issues, parents stop telling their kids that masturbation sends them to hell which makes them feel ashamed of themselves for doing it, it stops making people who are gay feel ashamed because people keep telling them that there's something wrong with them. It helps the world in so many ways, you can't even imagine how much of a cancer that religion is, it literally makes everything worse.

So yes, we need to make these people stop believing in god. No, that's not edgy because a world without religion would be an infinitely better place.

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Loaf's post seems edgy and I always hesitate to talk about atheism on the internet, but still.

When I look at a mountain range filled with trees, animals, and rivers, look up and see a huge cosmic generator giving them life, and having it all live in perfect harmony - I think the fact that it just happened through billions of years of astronomical progress is so much more beautiful and awe inspiring than if a magic humanlike god willed it all into existence.

I agree with the part about nature, but my point isn't edgy. We need to make these people stop holding their stupid beliefs somehow, because the world would be much better off without it.

For one, supernatural and religious thinkers have a hard time understanding the natural world. That's why in their heads something like religion makes sense to them. If you take away magical thinking and replace it with skepticism and desire for evidence, you have a much smarter civilization. You also have a civilization who doesn't base their hope for the world on the afterlife, instead of focusing on more productive things like how they can actually look at the life they have as beautiful and worth while. And you take away people's prejudices that arise from when religion divides people, you stop having all these stupid problems with the government where they try to implement laws about social issues, parents stop telling their kids that masturbation sends them to hell which makes them feel ashamed of themselves for doing it, it stops making people who are gay feel ashamed because people keep telling them that there's something wrong with them. It helps the world in so many ways, you can't even imagine how much of a cancer that religion is, it literally makes everything worse.

So yes, we need to make these people stop believing in god. No, that's not edgy because a world without religion would be an infinitely better place.

No, we don't. Nonexistence and death are terrifying concepts, and people cope with that in different ways. Who are you to impose your mindset on others, to force them to believe something they don't want to? You're no better than the religious zealots who want to force everyone to be Christian.

It doesn't matter who's right or how different society would be without religion. What matters is personal choice. If someone wants to believe in something and they're not imposing it on others, then you have no grounds to object.

You bring up the Christians who take it too far and impose their beliefs on their children, that's obviously wrong. But that's a problem with the individual, not the religion. Plenty of religious parents let their children choose what to believe in for themselves.

Religious people can't defend their stupid beliefs with reason which is why people get upset when you insult belief in god. That pisses me off, I don't care whether or not you think I should just but out of people's lives. I will be clear to as many people as I can, I think religion is stupid and I think having supernatural beliefs is fucked in the head. And, not that you need to hear this secondclass, but other people do; can we get it through our heads that if you believe in the supernatural that's just the same as believing in god? I fucking hate it when morons have to say that "I don't believe in god or like religions, but I feel there's a presence". Okay, so you're superstitious either way, you just rebranded it, it's literally no different. You're just trading one silly belief for the other.

I don't see how you can look at all the problems that religion imposes on the world and just think, yeah that's okay, all I need to do is focus on the "bad stuff" that people do in the name of religion and hopefully everyone will just start deciding to be a "good christian". No! The problem is systemic, and it's people not having critical thinking skills in the first place. You need to make everyone knock off the stupid fucking game and start acting like an advanced species of ape, because honestly I feel like, you know how when you're playing a video game against a cpu enemy, but it just doesn't feel the same as playing against a real human being? It lacks that human quality? That's how it feels talking to people in general who believe in god, I just realize that they have an incomplete understanding of the world around me and it's just as boring (not to mention the damage the cause the world) talking to them as it is to play against a video game cpu.

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Quote from: PSU on December 01, 2016, 11:36:49 AM

God exists and you will realize that when you grow up and you're not an edgy little kid.

Can you explain this to me in anything other than cliches and platitudes?

No thanks.

Just remember this conversation 10 years from now.

Hmm, so you have nothing to say.

No not really. All that matters is I know for a fact that God exists. If you don't, thats fine. I just think eventually you'll change your tone.

If you're so confident in your beliefs that atheists don't matter because they'll "change their tone" eventually, then why do you feel the need to say all of this? If you're not even remotely open to the possibility of new ideas but refuse to explain and defend your own from others, then what is the point in participating in this conversation at all?
You have nothing of value to contribute to the conversation and you're just wasting people's time.

ok kid

See this is why you're so easily dismissed.

Why would I care if I'm easily dismissed on a dead forum?

I don't know man, why do you care if some dude has different beliefs than you on a dead forum?

I don't. I thought I made that clear.

If you don't care then why are you still replying back?

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Quote from: PSU on December 01, 2016, 11:36:49 AM

God exists and you will realize that when you grow up and you're not an edgy little kid.

Apparently Loaf is like 24.

22

I laughed

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Loaf's post seems edgy and I always hesitate to talk about atheism on the internet, but still.

When I look at a mountain range filled with trees, animals, and rivers, look up and see a huge cosmic generator giving them life, and having it all live in perfect harmony - I think the fact that it just happened through billions of years of astronomical progress is so much more beautiful and awe inspiring than if a magic humanlike god willed it all into existence.

I agree with the part about nature, but my point isn't edgy. We need to make these people stop holding their stupid beliefs somehow, because the world would be much better off without it.

For one, supernatural and religious thinkers have a hard time understanding the natural world. That's why in their heads something like religion makes sense to them. If you take away magical thinking and replace it with skepticism and desire for evidence, you have a much smarter civilization. You also have a civilization who doesn't base their hope for the world on the afterlife, instead of focusing on more productive things like how they can actually look at the life they have as beautiful and worth while. And you take away people's prejudices that arise from when religion divides people, you stop having all these stupid problems with the government where they try to implement laws about social issues, parents stop telling their kids that masturbation sends them to hell which makes them feel ashamed of themselves for doing it, it stops making people who are gay feel ashamed because people keep telling them that there's something wrong with them. It helps the world in so many ways, you can't even imagine how much of a cancer that religion is, it literally makes everything worse.

So yes, we need to make these people stop believing in god. No, that's not edgy because a world without religion would be an infinitely better place.

No, we don't. Nonexistence and death are terrifying concepts, and people cope with that in different ways. Who are you to impose your mindset on others, to force them to believe something they don't want to? You're no better than the religious zealots who want to force everyone to be Christian.

It doesn't matter who's right or how different society would be without religion. What matters is personal choice. If someone wants to believe in something and they're not imposing it on others, then you have no grounds to object.

You bring up the Christians who take it too far and impose their beliefs on their children, that's obviously wrong. But that's a problem with the individual, not the religion. Plenty of religious parents let their children choose what to believe in for themselves.

Religious people can't defend their stupid beliefs with reason which is why people get upset when you insult belief in god. That pisses me off, I don't care whether or not you think I should just but out of people's lives. I will be clear to as many people as I can, I think religion is stupid and I think having supernatural beliefs is fucked in the head. And, not that you need to hear this secondclass, but other people do; can we get it through our heads that if you believe in the supernatural that's just the same as believing in god? I fucking hate it when morons have to say that "I don't believe in god or like religions, but I feel there's a presence". Okay, so you're superstitious either way, you just rebranded it, it's literally no different. You're just trading one silly belief for the other.

I don't see how you can look at all the problems that religion imposes on the world and just think, yeah that's okay, all I need to do is focus on the "bad stuff" that people do in the name of religion and hopefully everyone will just start deciding to be a "good christian". No! The problem is systemic, and it's people not having critical thinking skills in the first place. You need to make everyone knock off the stupid fucking game and start acting like an advanced species of ape, because honestly I feel like, you know how when you're playing a video game against a cpu enemy, but it just doesn't feel the same as playing against a real human being? It lacks that human quality? That's how it feels talking to people in general who believe in god, I just realize that they have an incomplete understanding of the world around me and it's just as boring (not to mention the damage the cause the world) talking to them as it is to play against a video game cpu.

Guess what - none of that matters. Your logic is the same as "black people commit more crimes than whites, the solution is no more blacks!" Religion carries problems on a social level, but that doesn't justify forcing everyone to abandon their beliefs. We can't run around imposing our world views on everyone, because everyone is different and needs different things.

There's probably very little I can do to change the beliefs of everyone in the world, or even people in a small vicinity around me, but hopefully in the future with the spread of technology and the possibility of artificial enhancement of our brains through technology, or living in a society that has become so prosperous through scientific advancements that the education level and prosperity of the population rises so much that people no longer need religion, then we can finally live in a world without it. Until then, I guess I'm just going to have to keep making posts to spite these fucking imbeciles then, aren't I, because I'm just a bad person. Although, deep down I have good intentions.

Also, TL;DR

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/01/jesus-statue-all-thats-left-tn-house-after-deadly-wildfires

cmon man you dont gotta resort to this sort of thing

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http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/12/01/jesus-statue-all-thats-left-tn-house-after-deadly-wildfires

cmon man you dont gotta resort to this sort of thing

No other explanation. God is real.

there are far better arguments to make for gods existence that a simple coincidence like this man

Religion, specifically Christianity, is a cornerstone in the foundation of Western Society. Religion is a way we can express ideas, philosophy, and morality. You cannot have a fruitful society without religion, look at the USSR for example. Atheism often ignores this aspect of religion and only focuses on "muh science", without understanding the politcal and social impact it has.

This is most likely due to said atheist not having regular social contact outside certain instances. They were never exposed to the positives of religion, because they lock themselves in their room all day. Therefore, they tend to focus on the self indulgent part of their belief system, instead of the good of the whole. This then leads to thoughts such as "Muh philosophy, muh star dust, muh 4 billion years". They never got involved with their Church. They never attempted to connect spiritually. They can only focus on what they have been exposed to.

If you're an atheist, not agnostic, but hardcore "There is no God" atheist, Take look at your life. In the past 6 months have you tried to be proactive and outgoing? Have done anything besides the daily routine and watch children's cartoons? Have you altered you body to try and be someone you're not? 

Put aside some time this weekend. Go to a local Church session. Take in the surroundings, the mood of others, the sense of community.

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Religion, specifically Christianity, is a cornerstone in the foundation of Western Society. Religion is a way we can express ideas, philosophy, and morality. You cannot have a fruitful society without religion, look at the USSR for example. Atheism often ignores this aspect of religion and only focuses on "muh science", without understanding the politcal and social impact it has.

This is most likely due to said atheist not having regular social contact outside certain instances. They were never exposed to the positives of religion, because they lock themselves in their room all day. Therefore, they tend to focus on the self indulgent part of their belief system, instead of the good of the whole. This then leads to thoughts such as "Muh philosophy, muh star dust, muh 4 billion years". They never got involved with their Church. They never attempted to connect spiritually. They can only focus on what they have been exposed to.

If you're an atheist, not agnostic, but hardcore "There is no God" atheist, Take look at your life. In the past 6 months have you tried to be proactive and outgoing? Have done anything besides the daily routine and watch children's cartoons? Have you altered you body to try and be someone you're not? 

Put aside some time this weekend. Go to a local Church session. Take in the surroundings, the mood of others, the sense of community.

You're a religious imposer, Loaf is an atheist one. Both are just as annoying.

Just let people believe what they want to without getting all self-righteous about it.

I am an atheist though. Doesn't mean I don't see the positives in religion. Not everyone needs to tip their fedora so hard their katana falls out of it's sheath.

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Quote from: Dapper_Droid on December 02, 2016, 01:04:23 AM

Religion, specifically Christianity, is a cornerstone in the foundation of Western Society. Religion is a way we can express ideas, philosophy, and morality. You cannot have a fruitful society without religion, look at the USSR for example. Atheism often ignores this aspect of religion and only focuses on "muh science", without understanding the politcal and social impact it has.

This is most likely due to said atheist not having regular social contact outside certain instances. They were never exposed to the positives of religion, because they lock themselves in their room all day. Therefore, they tend to focus on the self indulgent part of their belief system, instead of the good of the whole. This then leads to thoughts such as "Muh philosophy, muh star dust, muh 4 billion years". They never got involved with their Church. They never attempted to connect spiritually. They can only focus on what they have been exposed to.

If you're an atheist, not agnostic, but hardcore "There is no God" atheist, Take look at your life. In the past 6 months have you tried to be proactive and outgoing? Have done anything besides the daily routine and watch children's cartoons? Have you altered you body to try and be someone you're not? 

Put aside some time this weekend. Go to a local Church session. Take in the surroundings, the mood of others, the sense of community.

You're a religious imposer, Loaf is an atheist one. Both are just as annoying.

Just let people believe what they want to without getting all self-righteous about it.

I am an atheist though. Doesn't mean I don't see the positives in religion. Not everyone needs to tip their fedora so hard their katana falls out of it's sheath.

There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."

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There are no positives of religion. Fuck your "sense of community."

"HA, I called your opinion EDGY! That means I'm right, because you're EDGY! HAHA!"

Religion is for dopey retards with nothing real to hope for in their lives.