Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:12:34 PManakin is literally the dumbest character in star wars. And who cares if he is? I still don't think that takes away from his character at all. Lots of people are stupid. If he was smart, there wouldn't be a fucking movie, would there?
anakin is literally the dumbest character in star wars.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 22, 2015, 08:08:59 PMSo, you're saying that if you were in the position you wouldn't find it at all incredibly odd or suspicious that the Supreme Chancellor starts telling you some ancient Sith mythology that's relevant to a problem you're dealing with when you just came by to watch the opera with him?I'm saying I don't know what the fuck I'd do, or how the fuck I'd react. I'm also in a universe filled with weird fucking aliens and laser swords and shit. A universe where the "good" and "evil" are bluntly defined, and there is little to no ambivalence whatsoever. I'm not exactly living in a rational universe to begin with.
So, you're saying that if you were in the position you wouldn't find it at all incredibly odd or suspicious that the Supreme Chancellor starts telling you some ancient Sith mythology that's relevant to a problem you're dealing with when you just came by to watch the opera with him?
i care because vader was the exact opposite of stupid. thats an inconsistent character. you dont just magically stop being an idiot once you get sith powers.
How is the scenery and biology of the people relevant here?
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:17:46 PMi care because vader was the exact opposite of stupid. thats an inconsistent character. you dont just magically stop being an idiot once you get sith powers.He's also how old in the original trilogy? Seems like he would have wizened up a little to me.Unless you're referring to sources outside of the movies, in which case, I couldn't give the most miserable fuck.
Caring about Anakin's seduction is, in my opinion, a nitpick, and something that can be overlooked very easily.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:23:48 PM Caring about Anakin's seduction is, in my opinion, a nitpick, and something that can be overlooked very easily.its the single most important plot point of the entire series! it should be harshly criticized for being poorly thought-out.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:28:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:23:48 PM Caring about Anakin's seduction is, in my opinion, a nitpick, and something that can be overlooked very easily.its the single most important plot point of the entire series! it should be harshly criticized for being poorly thought-out.If you want to take a kid's film that seriously, I guess that's your prerogative.
the original trilogy was for kids, too, but didnt have these wild narrative inconsistencies. am i not allowed to critique a director for making a few shitty movies?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 22, 2015, 08:08:59 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 06:17:36 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 21, 2015, 05:19:29 PManyone with half a brain could pick that out and say "uhhhh you what now?" but nope. not anakin.Do you realize how easy that is to say as an audience member?Seems like you've been watching too much Mr. Plinkett.So, you're saying that if you were in the position you wouldn't find it at all incredibly odd or suspicious that the Supreme Chancellor starts telling you some ancient Sith mythology that's relevant to a problem you're dealing with when you just came by to watch the opera with him?Yes. It's clearly spelled out for you that the Chancelor and Anakin have had a long standing friendship bordering on homoerotic.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 06:17:36 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 21, 2015, 05:19:29 PManyone with half a brain could pick that out and say "uhhhh you what now?" but nope. not anakin.Do you realize how easy that is to say as an audience member?Seems like you've been watching too much Mr. Plinkett.So, you're saying that if you were in the position you wouldn't find it at all incredibly odd or suspicious that the Supreme Chancellor starts telling you some ancient Sith mythology that's relevant to a problem you're dealing with when you just came by to watch the opera with him?
Quote from: Azumarill on April 21, 2015, 05:19:29 PManyone with half a brain could pick that out and say "uhhhh you what now?" but nope. not anakin.Do you realize how easy that is to say as an audience member?Seems like you've been watching too much Mr. Plinkett.
anyone with half a brain could pick that out and say "uhhhh you what now?" but nope. not anakin.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on April 22, 2015, 08:08:59 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 06:17:36 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 21, 2015, 05:19:29 PManyone with half a brain could pick that out and say "uhhhh you what now?" but nope. not anakin.Do you realize how easy that is to say as an audience member?Seems like you've been watching too much Mr. Plinkett.So, you're saying that if you were in the position you wouldn't find it at all incredibly odd or suspicious that the Supreme Chancellor starts telling you some ancient Sith mythology that's relevant to a problem you're dealing with when you just came by to watch the opera with him?not just ancient: darth plagueis was palpatine's mentor! when he's smiling while talking about plagueis' death? yeah its because he's totally reminiscing on the time he murdered his mentor in his sleep.i mean, anakin had no way of knowing that, but he should have been tipped off either way. the Sith were an ancient order that had established galactic empires. he should have been entirely familiar with the nature of Sith philosophy as part of his Jedi training. palpatine's plan only worked because anakin is literally the dumbest character in star wars. even jar jar would have said "WAIT YOUSA SITH!"
In a universe occupied by the force and with Sidious being supposedly powerful, of course Anakin didn't see it. Considering what Anakin was dealing with at the time, how he never seems to think rationally, and whatever power Sidious was exerting on him, of course his judgement is clouded. It's easy to look at it as an outsider retrospectively like you are but you have to put yourself in his shoes.
Quote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:21:07 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:17:46 PMi care because vader was the exact opposite of stupid. thats an inconsistent character. you dont just magically stop being an idiot once you get sith powers.He's also how old in the original trilogy? Seems like he would have wizened up a little to me.Unless you're referring to sources outside of the movies, in which case, I couldn't give the most miserable fuck.luke was about 20 at the beginning of a new hope. anakin was ~23 when luke and leia were born (he had already turned at this point). so anakin would have been 43/44 during the events of a new hope. a lot can happen in 23 years, but when you're as fucking stupid as prequels anakin, you dont get that much smarter. vader was shrewd, intelligent, a great tactician, and he knew how to read people. prequels anakin was a halftard who happened to be good in combat situations; a savant. there is no explanation given between the events of episode III and episode IV to justify such a radical change in his intellectual capacity, unless the vader suit enhanced his brain. which, come to think of it, could be plausible, but still doesnt give a good explanation for him turning in the first place. ill go check and see the extent of the vader augmentations.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:27:58 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:21:07 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:17:46 PMi care because vader was the exact opposite of stupid. thats an inconsistent character. you dont just magically stop being an idiot once you get sith powers.He's also how old in the original trilogy? Seems like he would have wizened up a little to me.Unless you're referring to sources outside of the movies, in which case, I couldn't give the most miserable fuck.luke was about 20 at the beginning of a new hope. anakin was ~23 when luke and leia were born (he had already turned at this point). so anakin would have been 43/44 during the events of a new hope. a lot can happen in 23 years, but when you're as fucking stupid as prequels anakin, you dont get that much smarter. vader was shrewd, intelligent, a great tactician, and he knew how to read people. prequels anakin was a halftard who happened to be good in combat situations; a savant. there is no explanation given between the events of episode III and episode IV to justify such a radical change in his intellectual capacity, unless the vader suit enhanced his brain. which, come to think of it, could be plausible, but still doesnt give a good explanation for him turning in the first place. ill go check and see the extent of the vader augmentations.The prequels are the answer to that question. After the events of EP 3 it only makes sense that Vader would look back on his mistakes and how irrational he was and would try to change that and become more tactical. Plenty of people do stuff like that everyday. It's called improving yourself.Plenty of people learn from their mistakes and try to change.
ive already explained my argument time and time again. please, by all means, keep riding lucas' gangrene infected dick, but im done here.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:28:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:23:48 PM Caring about Anakin's seduction is, in my opinion, a nitpick, and something that can be overlooked very easily.its the single most important plot point of the entire series! it should be harshly criticized for being poorly thought-out.If you hate the movie and the prequel era so much, why bitch about it online? Why put all this time and effort into something that you dislike? Wouldn't you just ignore it? It makes no sense logically. Unless...you secretly love the prequels, don't yah Squidward?
Quote from: Tackelberry on April 22, 2015, 09:02:53 PMQuote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 08:28:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on April 22, 2015, 08:23:48 PM Caring about Anakin's seduction is, in my opinion, a nitpick, and something that can be overlooked very easily.its the single most important plot point of the entire series! it should be harshly criticized for being poorly thought-out.If you hate the movie and the prequel era so much, why bitch about it online? Why put all this time and effort into something that you dislike? Wouldn't you just ignore it? It makes no sense logically. Unless...you secretly love the prequels, don't yah Squidward?If you hate Mr Plinkett so much, why bitch about it online? Why put all this time and effort into something that you dislike? Wouldn't you just ignore him? It makes no sense logically. Unless...you secretly love Mr Plinkett, don't yah Squidward?
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 09:40:30 PMive already explained my argument time and time again. please, by all means, keep riding lucas' gangrene infected dick, but im done here.And by all means I'm not idolizing the prequels. Just like the Original trilogy, it has it's ups and downs.
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 09:40:30 PMive already explained my argument time and time again. please, by all means, keep riding lucas' gangrene infected dick, but im done here.And you keep riding Mike Stoklasa's.*shrug*
Quote from: Azumarill on April 22, 2015, 09:40:30 PMive already explained my argument time and time again. please, by all means, keep riding lucas' gangrene infected dick, but im done here."You like something other than the Original Trilogy? Stop sucking Lucas's dick!"
Just a quick question, did any of you feel anything during the fall of the jedi? When it was showing Jedi masters like aayla secura, Ki adi Mundi, and Plo Koon being betrayed and killed by their own troops?
An analysis on the lack of emotional connection in the Prequel Trilogy
