They are.

Like, seriously. If you don't think that having a central monopoly on force is necessary for a civilised society then you don't understand civilisation.

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Quote from: guts on July 08, 2015, 01:26:27 PM

how else is society supposed to function? how else do you provide government services?

Well you see goots, you leave everyone to it and after a few years of anarchy and strife people will look to the natural leaders in their ranks and start to bring about some sort of order. This then grows to make sure that everyone has food, water and safety and then it grows further to implement a justice system to allow people to have their grievances dealt with fairly.

Then of course they have to ensure a fair allocation of resources for work, and all citizens contribute or get thrown out and then boom you have a normal government again for edgelords to whine about on the internet. Or to leave engravings on rocks to fight the powah.

i say humanity just nukes itself to extinction so that another intelligent life form can evolve and hopefully do better than we have

Literally every country has some form of tax revenue. Only like %90 percent of those I would consider civilized.

Like most others in this thread, they kinda are... >.>

Because who needs roads, or law enforcement, or an efficient organized military, or any of the other services a government typically provides.

I for one would love to wait at toll booths for every street that's owned by a different corporation. I'd also really like to pay to leave my own driveway as well.

This is why I support government subsidized AFV's for everyone. Nobody needs roads when they all have tanks.

cost of living should be 0

You don't really deserve an opinion on it unless you're a member of the workforce.

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Quote from: Ushan on July 08, 2015, 04:59:01 PM

Because who needs roads, or law enforcement, or an efficient organized military, or any of the other services a government typically provides.

hurr durr roads can only exist if they're state-owned

hurr durr paying obscene prices to leave the drive way is something I can totally afford.

You realize that if no one can afford to drive on the roads then the owners of said roads wouldn't have the money to maintain them?  And if they couldn't maintain them they'd most likely abandon them?  And that if they abandoned them then someone else (or a collective) would take over?

It's in the interest of everyone to have roads.  That's like saying, "Without government who will dig the wells?"

or law enforcement

Law enforcement doesn't exist when there aren't laws to enforce.  Property rights would be the only thing enforced, and I in a society demanding enforcement someone will create organizations (DROs) that perform that service, for a fee (not unlike today's law firms).

or an efficient organized military

Who would be waging wars?  Businesses?  Do you know how expensive war is?  The only reason nations can afford to wage wars is because they have control over the money supply.  In the long-term the currency is devalued but in the short-term it can buy an army.

Besdies that, a society with no government isn't bound by the Geneva convention.  Any outside entity looking to wage war would be faced with nukes and hollow-point MGs.  No one would dare take that risk.

or any of the other services a government typically provides.

All trivial services which could be better provided by firms with a profit motive.