It's frustrating to see how these things are covered in much of the (social) media. Same as with net neutrality and all things similar, the stuff that gets thrown around and the way people act over it almost makes you lose support for the good side. So much exaggerated and flawed narratives pushed by people who couldn't even explain you how basic copyright works, who don't have the faintest clue about the workings of EU legislation and who haven't even read the proposed text but have still somehow become overnight experts in European intellectual property law and are piling onto anyone who offers a more factual and nuanced POV than "THE INTERNET IS LITERALLY GOING TO END". It's tiresome to participate in these discussions when you see the hundredth bandwagoner get thousands of upvotes for saying there's no longer any fair use protections because he's legally illiterate and doesn't understand even the very basics of this debate.

This is why referenda are so stupid.

Quote from: MarKhan on June 22, 2018, 01:57:06 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 10:31:52 AM

North America > Anywhere else

Fuck the rest of this world with a ten foot pole

Should I remind you about school shootings?

Should I remind you about the starving kids in Africa in poor villages no one gives a shit about?

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 04:30:52 PM

Just gotta clear something up about net neutrality. The date of the FTC vote is not when the changes come into the effect. Net neutrality's repeal in the US didn't happen until just two weeks ago (June 11th).

Africa =/= Anywhere else

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 10:44:12 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 22, 2018, 09:29:40 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 04:30:52 PM

Just gotta clear something up about net neutrality. The date of the FTC vote is not when the changes come into the effect. Net neutrality's repeal in the US didn't happen until just two weeks ago (June 11th).

k

Just saying. Facts matter. Net neutrality has been gone for not even 2 weeks so it's important not to assume that everything's fine (yet).

Quote from: Genghis Khan on June 23, 2018, 09:28:01 AM

Quote from: Flee on June 23, 2018, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 10:44:12 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 22, 2018, 09:29:40 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 04:30:52 PM

Just gotta clear something up about net neutrality. The date of the FTC vote is not when the changes come into the effect. Net neutrality's repeal in the US didn't happen until just two weeks ago (June 11th).

k

Just saying. Facts matter. Net neutrality has been gone for not even 2 weeks so it's important not to assume that everything's fine (yet).

If anything hopefully the lack of net neutrality will override EU laws.

Fucking ilermaty at it again...

Quote from: challengerX on June 22, 2018, 04:40:11 PM

Glendale is a shithole

Ala Akbar land is a real shithole, which is where you're from.

Quote from: Jono on June 24, 2018, 03:19:26 AM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on June 22, 2018, 04:45:18 PM

Quote from: challengerX on June 22, 2018, 04:40:11 PM

Glendale is a shithole

Ala Akbar land is a real shithole, which is where you're from.

The entirety of Los Angeles is a shithole with the exception of Dodger Stadium

You're from fucking Bakersfield shut your bitch ass up

Quote from: Aether on June 24, 2018, 04:27:57 PM

Apparently a few US based news sites have already blocked access to European countries.

Pretty sure that's completely unrelated.

Quote from: Aether on June 25, 2018, 01:09:40 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 24, 2018, 11:41:38 PM

Quote from: Aether on June 24, 2018, 04:27:57 PM

Apparently a few US based news sites have already blocked access to European countries.

Pretty sure that's completely unrelated.

What is it related to?

I think you're referring to the GDPR that came into effect last month. It has nothing to do with copyright but is about data protection instead. It's a Regulation with an extraterritorial scope of application meaning that companies processing personal data belonging to Europeans have to comply with the rules even when they are based outside of Europe. Non-compliance can result in hefty fines so some American-based companies have decided to simply block European IP addresses altogether. If you're American, these sites should concern you greatly. Most of the GDPR really is not all that difficult to comply with. It provides the data subjects (you) with some rights and ways of enforcing them (request that your data is deleted, receive information about what data is saved, what it will be used for and who has access to it...) and subjects the data controllers (the sites / services / companies) to certain obligations (don't use the data for purposes you didn't gather it for, delete data when it's no longer necessary, get informed consent of your users, implement security measures, don't keep sensitive information when it's not relevant...). The fact that these sites would rather block an entire continent rather than protect the privacy of its users and not track you with invasive cookies, create a profile or exactly who you are and what you do, and then sell it to anyone with an interest should be an alarm bell going off. They're probably up to some pretty shady shit they know they couldn't get away with.

Quote from: Aether on June 25, 2018, 04:14:15 PM

I'm not referring to any new regulations specifically. I've just heard that some US based news sites have recently blocked access to EU nations.

It's not surprising to me that many sites are collecting data on their users and would rather block access than to stop. It's even less surprising that it would be news agencies struggling to maintain relevance in the age of the internet.

Yeah, I know you weren't referring to a specific law. I'm just clarifying that the reason some sites have blocked European users has nothing to do with what this thread is about. I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea and think the block you mentioned is related to this copyright proposal.

And I'm expecting the US to slowly start adopting similar rules. Privacy and data protection are starting to draw more attention in the states as well. The mess with interference in the presidential elections, the Facebook / Cambridge Analytica scandal, the frequent high level data leaks... I recently got to talk about this with the former head of privacy and legal affairs of the US Homeland Security and she says we're seeing a bit of an opinion shift among American people. Many are starting to realize that the lack of regulation can cause serious issues especially now that they see that all of the large companies are fine with giving Europeans more protections but don't do the same for Americans.