For those who like the conspiracy nut StormCloudsGathering (Kinder, get in here)

More Than Mortal · January 10, 2015, 03:57:12 PM

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He manages to fool people into believing this shit by either willfully ignoring important pieces of information, or being ignorant himself about important pieces of information.

Also, since Kinder (also Door) know a fair bit about guns--can you tell me if this comment is accurate?

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Pretty weak SCG, pretty weak. You talk about the rifle, but fail to mention the more active object, the bullet. A 7.62 FMJ is very different than a 7.62 EHP, one will penetrate with little to no expansion causing very little hydrostatic shock and a smaller wound channel, an FMJ round at max velocity that close could very well have passed through the head fairly cleanly and sometimes without a blood plume. A 7.62 EHP is a very different creature and is designed to cause maximum trauma via massive hydrostatic shock and an equally massive wound channel, an EHP would have done what you are talking about, an FMJ not so much, the video really wasn't long enough to let us see if there was any blood pooling from the head wound, which could be very easily concealed by his body from the angle we are looking at.

Lemy the Lizerd · January 10, 2015, 04:07:50 PM

I'm not very well-informed about ballistics or the cartridges themselves, I'm more educated on the mechanical aspects and history of any particular gun.

I doubt Kinder is a bulletfag either.

I'd like to know which 7.62 he's talking about, because there are a few different 7.62 cartridges and they're very different.

7.62x54r is a very old cartridge, comparable somewhat to .308. This is what a Mosin Nagant shoots, as well as the Dragunov and a few Russian machine guns.

7.62x51 NATO, also known as .308 Winchester (at least I think. There might be minor differences) is a full-sized rifle round used in the M14, FAL, G3, and other military rifles, as well as various commercial hunting rifles.

7.62x39 is an intermediate (smaller but not pistol-sized) cartridge used in the AK47 and AKM.

There's also 7.62x25 Tokarev, a Russian pistol caliber used in the Nagant revolver and the TT-33 pistol, but that mostly fell out of use after WW2.

DAS B00T x2 · January 10, 2015, 04:09:49 PM

EHP? Is he trying to say hollow point? What's the E for?

But um, yeah, hollow points cause much more trauma and mushroom like mad compared to FMJ. That's why we hunt with them. Fun fact: my cousin took a ball tip 9mm clean through his thigh muscle a few weeks ago. No bone contact. The exit would wasn't really bigger than the entry, and when they found the round, it wasn't misshapen much.

And uh... I like how the video guy tries to compare a watermelon to a person's skull. Someone's never watched an actual shooting before...

Kinder Graham · January 10, 2015, 04:13:50 PM

I'm not an expert on ballistics, nor do I know the full extensiveness of each variation of a round but from the videos I've seen of a 7.62x39 round being fired, it just decimates concrete into nothing but rubble. However, AKs do fire different rounds including 5.45 which is less severe, I would say, against a 7.62. But here's a simple video showing the comparisons between the two

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My guess is he was shot with a 5.45 chambered AK as the entrance wound from it is small and the exit wound is large. One very important thing missing from the video is the officer's side of the head where the exit hole should be; basically only getting half of the incident.

tl;dr he was most likely shot with a different caliber than 7.62

Magos Domina · January 10, 2015, 05:59:38 PM

I would post a video of a similar stile execution video, but I'm sure you can go to almost any shock sites and find the footage for yourselves. Point is human skulls are not water melons and not every time will there be blood spatter (from the camera point of view).

DAS B00T x2 · January 10, 2015, 06:17:33 PM

Quote from: Kinder Graham on January 10, 2015, 04:13:50 PM

I'm not an expert on ballistics, nor do I know the full extensiveness of each variation of a round but from the videos I've seen of a 7.62x39 round being fired, it just decimates concrete into nothing but rubble.

Yeah, it'll crack up a cinder block from a straight shot pretty damn good, but a sidewalk slab at an angle after going through someone's head?
And if you're not talking about the lack of a dent in the sidewalk, heads and concrete are rather different. Same with melons. It's no where near comparable in terms of visual representation of damage.