Quote from: challengerX on October 21, 2014, 05:13:30 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.You don't think thats how it works and yet people plan out their deaths. They make YouTube videos, or find out how they are going to do it. It's definitely not a spontaneous decision.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.
3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:15:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 21, 2014, 05:13:30 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.You don't think thats how it works and yet people plan out their deaths. They make YouTube videos, or find out how they are going to do it. It's definitely not a spontaneous decision. Sometimes it is
Most people threaten to commit suicide just for attention. Telling someone that you don't care or egging them on to kill themselves probably does more to change their mind than giving them the attention they want.
I've had plenty of hard times in my life and was at the same low as people who commit suicide, but I knew it would end eventually and more harm than good would come out of ending my life
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:45:59 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.If they're threatening suicide then they aren't the ones you typically have to worry about/find help for.thats actually really good to know. 3: Thx
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.If they're threatening suicide then they aren't the ones you typically have to worry about/find help for.
Oh, I've experienced severe clinical depression many times where I went up to a week feeling everything you quoted from that link
My original statement was directed at the main question: Is suicide cowardly. I took that as the act itself, not the person and if they've been going through a mental illness. No, I don't know a lot about clinical depression
I did state on the previous page that I'm not an expert on psychology or what people go through so I know that I'm not knowledgeable in this area as I am in history, geography, guns, and other things
Quote from: PSU on October 21, 2014, 05:00:17 PMRaw Sugar is right tho.If someone wants to kill them self, it doesn't matter how many shrinks they talk to, they're gonna do it.Shrinks are rarely the answer to anything. What those people need is support from friends and family.
Raw Sugar is right tho.If someone wants to kill them self, it doesn't matter how many shrinks they talk to, they're gonna do it.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:48:06 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:45:59 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.If they're threatening suicide then they aren't the ones you typically have to worry about/find help for.thats actually really good to know. 3: ThxYouTubeActually, that's a myth <.<I wouldn't say it's completely incorrect, but just because someone is discussing suicide does not mean they are safe. If they are using it as a threat though, then sure.
3. Suicide prevention programs don't really help, anti drug programs tell us not to smoke, snort cocaine, inject heroin, etc, but some teens end up doing it anyways.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 22, 2014, 06:25:22 AMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:48:06 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:45:59 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.If they're threatening suicide then they aren't the ones you typically have to worry about/find help for.thats actually really good to know. 3: ThxYouTubeActually, that's a myth <.<I wouldn't say it's completely incorrect, but just because someone is discussing suicide does not mean they are safe. If they are using it as a threat though, then sure.That's what I meant.
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