3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.If they're threatening suicide then they aren't the ones you typically have to worry about/find help for.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.
Quote from: PSU on October 21, 2014, 05:00:17 PMRaw Sugar is right tho.If someone wants to kill them self, it doesn't matter how many shrinks they talk to, they're gonna do it.Shrinks are rarely the answer to anything. What those people need is support from friends and family.
Raw Sugar is right tho.If someone wants to kill them self, it doesn't matter how many shrinks they talk to, they're gonna do it.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.
If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMIf people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Not always true.But, this is why suicide prevention focuses on identifying others at risk and encouraging them to get the proper help if you cannot provide it yourself. The idea isn't to sit you through a class telling you to not kill yourself, it's to help you help that guy to your left to not kill himself.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though.Which is why we need to make it easier [both logistically and financially] and less stigmatic to seek help. Friends and family should acquaint themselves with someone who exhibits depressive behavior.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:20:53 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though.Which is why we need to make it easier [both logistically and financially] and less stigmatic to seek help. Friends and family should acquaint themselves with someone who exhibits depressive behavior.so basically catching it early is when these programs are most effective.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:23:35 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:20:53 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though.Which is why we need to make it easier [both logistically and financially] and less stigmatic to seek help. Friends and family should acquaint themselves with someone who exhibits depressive behavior.so basically catching it early is when these programs are most effective.As is with any disease, disorder, or unwanted behavior.
Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 05:14:46 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMIf people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Not always true.But, this is why suicide prevention focuses on identifying others at risk and encouraging them to get the proper help if you cannot provide it yourself. The idea isn't to sit you through a class telling you to not kill yourself, it's to help you help that guy to your left to not kill himself.but what incentive is there for someone to even attend one of those classes if they've already made up their mind. I can totally see this working on someone who's slowly approaching that decision of ending their live but I don't understand why someone who's made up their mind, would attend.
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:18:26 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 05:14:46 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMIf people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Not always true.But, this is why suicide prevention focuses on identifying others at risk and encouraging them to get the proper help if you cannot provide it yourself. The idea isn't to sit you through a class telling you to not kill yourself, it's to help you help that guy to your left to not kill himself.but what incentive is there for someone to even attend one of those classes if they've already made up their mind. I can totally see this working on someone who's slowly approaching that decision of ending their live but I don't understand why someone who's made up their mind, would attend.The... audience of what I'm referencing most likely wouldn't include anyone who'd suicidal themselves. You're partly correct how most folk won't want to or maybe won't be able to get help on their own, so that's why family/friend involvement and intervention is important. Thing is, if you don't know anything about the subject, how can you know what's wrong?
Quote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:15:39 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 21, 2014, 05:13:30 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.You don't think thats how it works and yet people plan out their deaths. They make YouTube videos, or find out how they are going to do it. It's definitely not a spontaneous decision.Those people are the minority. Majority of people think about doing it and end up doing it because their life doesn't improve/gets worse or all sorts of other things. That's where family and friends come in.
Quote from: challengerX on October 21, 2014, 05:13:30 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 05:09:16 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 05:07:16 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:59:22 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:49:37 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:45:37 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:40:38 PMQuote from: DAS B00T x2 on October 21, 2014, 04:38:50 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:33:03 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 21, 2014, 04:27:14 PMQuote from: Raw Sugar on October 21, 2014, 04:20:35 PM3) doesn't matter. You can raise as much awareness for suicide as you want. The dead really dont care.Awareness and help isn't for the dead.so? You think you're going raise an emotionally and spiritually dead person from the metaphorical grave? Some people have already attempted it and failed. What would stop them from trying again the next time things are just as bad?Proper support and psychiatric level help.i don't believe you can help someone if they don't want help. If the person is well enough to seek help then I'm not entirely sure if they really were at risk of going through with their suicide threats.Your posts reek of misinformation and lack of education on the topic.mhmmm anything else? Not sure if you're going to actually discuss/explain anything or try to put me down for not knowing as much as you.Considering how the rest of this thread has gone, it's generally advised that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't make such grand statements.why? I'm more than welcome to people correcting me or telling when I'm wrong. There's no need to be an ass about it. I've seen other people ITT thread say that awareness and help doesn't seem to be making much of an impact either which is what I said. I'm sorry if I they sounded more scientific when they said it and I didn't.It's not about how you say it, it's about what you said. The awareness, treatment, accessibility, cost, etc, are barriers that prevent people from getting the help they need. "If they want to kill themselves, they're going to kill themselves" shouldn't be an accepted outcome. We should be trying to avoid that outcome.If people want to kill themselves they won't seek help though. Depressed people will and I can see how that fits in with what you just said, but if you made up your mind right now to kill yourself this Friday, why would you seek help?That just isn't how it works. "Hmm, yes. I believe Friday will be an excellent day to take my life, doesn't mess with my schedule."If help were readily available more people would go. As it stands now it's a hassle and expensive. Would a psychiatrist help really? I don't know. It depends on the individual.You don't think thats how it works and yet people plan out their deaths. They make YouTube videos, or find out how they are going to do it. It's definitely not a spontaneous decision.
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