Your Thoughts on Suicide

Alternative Facts · October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

No personal attacks, no attacking others, none of that in this thread. You do it, you get reported, you will get reprimanded, and this thread will be locked. Don't test me on something like this.

Simply put - what are your thoughts on suicide? Is it a cowards way out? Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act? Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days? Discuss.

This is going to be helping me with a bit of my course work, so like I said - be serious for once, no attacking, and no bullshit.

Magos Domina · October 21, 2014, 12:12:48 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

1) what are your thoughts on suicide? Is it a cowards way out?
2) Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act?
3) Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days?

1) It's a drastic measure that some people feel is an option for one reason or another, no it's not the cowards way out, anyone who believes that obviously doesn't know very much about the person or the situation.

2) I know a few people irl who has thought/attempted it and I know someone irl who went through with it. Unfortunately

3) We have one of the highest suicide rates in Europe, so yeah there are quite a few campaigns aimed at people (and teenagers) to help with suicide prevention... I honestly don't believe it helps.

BlitzFiend · October 21, 2014, 12:20:01 AM

Quote from: Naja on October 21, 2014, 12:12:48 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

1) what are your thoughts on suicide? Is it a cowards way out?
2) Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act?
3) Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days?

1) It's a drastic measure that some people feel is an option for one reason or another, no it's not the cowards way out, anyone who believes that obviously doesn't know very much about the person or the situation.

2) I know many people irl who have thought/attempted it and I know someone irl who went through with it.

3) There are quite a few campaigns aimed at people (and teenagers) to help with suicide prevention... I honestly don't believe it helps.

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More Than Mortal · October 21, 2014, 01:21:31 AM

No, it isn't.

Yes, myself.

No, I don't.

Groot · October 21, 2014, 01:23:54 AM

I think it should be an option for people so that they don't have to traumatize their family with a sudden death. I think everyone should have the right to die whenever they want without having to resort to such crude tactics like hanging or guns.

I am kinda really depressed and I do think about it occasionally, but I am way too stubborn to actually off myself.

October 21, 2014, 01:31:38 AM

No one has the obligation to live. If you want to stop living, you have every right to.

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Mordo · October 21, 2014, 03:10:33 AM

I will never condone, support or approve the notion of ending your own life, but if in an individual REALLY feels like they've exhausted all other alternatives, then I ultimately believe it is completely up to them to exercise that option.

That being said, access to mental health is such a piss take in the Western World. We'd see a lot less suicides if people (both the politicians and the edgy sperglords that adopt fake depression to appear cool) didn't trivialise it.

Mat Cauthon · October 21, 2014, 03:58:47 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

Simply put - what are your thoughts on suicide? Is it a cowards way out? Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act? Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days?

I've thought about it a lot, came a hairs breadth away from trying it, twice.
I've had next to no support during both of those times.

It's definitely not the cowards way out, if someone is pushed that far that they consider suicide, demonising them is literally the worst possible thing.
Even the view of it is wrong. If a person starts thinking about it, then they see that society discriminates against those who share the thoughts, it makes their situation worse.

I know a couple of people who have done it. One I used to be close to, last year.

Emphasis is there and being made, but not enough.
People are still accused of being of 'guilty' of doing it and thinking of it, in a way.
And that effectively counteracts any help or support. Especially in religious countries.

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I might come back an edit this. I don't have much time and I just typed what I thought to get it down.

Mr. Psychologist · October 21, 2014, 04:09:16 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on October 21, 2014, 01:31:38 AM

No one has the obligation to live. If you want to stop living, you have every right to.

Whilst the sentiment isn't something I disagree with, should people who are mentally ill be able to make such a choice? Given that their perception and reasoning is warped by their illness, I wouldn't be inclined to say so <.<

Mr. Psychologist · October 21, 2014, 04:18:00 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

No personal attacks, no attacking others, none of that in this thread. You do it, you get reported, you will get reprimanded, and this thread will be locked. Don't test me on something like this.

There isn't any need for the lock, but I will come down like a tonne of bricks on people who pull that shit in this thread.

What are your thoughts on suicide?
It's a terrible waste of life, it's both stigmatized and romanticized at the same time which makes it infinitely harder to deal with. I would just as happily slap someone who said it's for the cowards and the weak as I would someone who said it was a noble choice.
It's an extreme action that is taken when someone feels like they are out of options, I really doubt that any (Barring the odd one or two) person goes 'ayy lmao imma chug bleach' because people were mean at school. I don't remember the precise statistic but it is nearly always associated with depression, a treatable mental illness, and so it should be and can be prevented with the correct intervention/support/prevention.

Is it a cowards way out? I'll refrain from saying something coarse, but No. It isn't. It's the result of extreme circumstances and almost always mental illness. Implying that it's cowardly implies that it is weakness to fall ill.

Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act? Sadly yes, quite a few. Thankfully no-one that I know has chosen to go through with it or has succeeded.

Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days? Discuss.
I assume you mean awareness/prevention/support?
No it fucking well isn't. However, the tide is starting to turn and more of the above are beginning to be spread around the population but it's not even baby steps yet.

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 08:09:11 AM

It's the cowards way out

I've had plenty of hard times in my life and was at the same low as people who commit suicide, but I knew it would end eventually and more harm than good would come out of ending my life

Tackel · October 21, 2014, 08:32:01 AM

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Korra · October 21, 2014, 09:03:49 AM

People who contemplate suicide need help to get pass that hard moment in life.

More Than Mortal · October 21, 2014, 09:38:33 AM

ITT: Kinder demonstrates his astounding ignorance of suicide and depression.

Sandtrap · October 21, 2014, 09:45:38 AM

Thoughts: Suicidal thoughts, I believe in general, cross everybody's mind at points in their life. Everybody has them. They look at things, and they falter in their resolve at what's coming. Some of them, can brush them off. Others can't. And it's a shame. But I don't blame any of them. Sometimes you just look at it all, and how can you not just want to give up?

Cowards way: No. It has nothing to do with cowardice. Being depressed alters your mental state. The world turns a shade of grey, and you lose focus. Your view expands to everything around you, but it's all the same shade of colour. Living in that void, death becomes a song. It's a call. It's the only thing left that's not a soulless shade of grey, ironically, even though it's a consuming blackness.

Know anybody?: Myself. I was a couple of days away from jumping off my town's radio tower. My Mother's sister at a young age. One of my Sister's friends. I made it through. The others didn't.

Help/Services: I think, there's an emphasis. And a good one at that. But the real problem is, getting people to listen. When you're depressed, you push everything away.Self help phonelines won't do jack shit if someone depressed doesn't use them.

And that's the problem. I pulled myself out of my depression alone. Never once did I call a self help line, even though I knew they were out there. I didn't want to. I didn't feel like it would do anything.

And that problem, isn't easy to fix. Getting a message through to people in such a state isn't easy. And that's what needs to be worked on.

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 09:46:47 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 09:38:33 AM

ITT: Kinder demonstrates his astounding ignorance of suicide and depression.

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No personal attacks, no attacking others, none of that in this thread. You do it, you get reported, you will get reprimanded, and this thread will be locked. Don't test me on something like this.

More Than Mortal · October 21, 2014, 09:55:30 AM

Calling you ignorant isn't an attack on your character in any way whatsoever; it's merely an observation as to your apparent "intellectual deficit" when it comes to the issue. It's essentially equal to me getting flustered if you said I was ignorant about guns.

If I said "Kinder demonstrates his shitflinging retardation and general sperglordyness" then it'd be a personal attack. But if you're going to claim suicidal people are cowards, I don't see how calling you ignorant is any worse or, regardless, an insult in the first place.

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 10:03:49 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 09:55:30 AM

Calling you ignorant isn't an attack on your character in any way whatsoever; it's merely an observation as to your apparent "intellectual deficit" when it comes to the issue. It's essentially equal to me getting flustered if you said I was ignorant about guns.

If I said "Kinder demonstrates his shitflinging retardation and general sperglordyness" then it'd be a personal attack. But if you're going to claim suicidal people are cowards, I don't see how calling you ignorant is any worse or, regardless, an insult in the first place.

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no attacking others

Oh, it is an attack. Calling a person ignorant IS attacking the character. Attack the argument, not the person. Stay mad

Mad Max · October 21, 2014, 10:05:53 AM

Quote from: IcyWind on October 21, 2014, 12:06:00 AM

Simply put - what are your thoughts on suicide?

Suicide is a highly unfortunate result of [usually] an untreated mental condition.

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Is it a cowards way out?

I don't think it's as simple as that. Obviously suicide is a bad thing, and shouldn't be encouraged, but I don't think it's possible for any of us to really comment on the cowardice of suicide. People who are suicidal aren't in the right state of mind and often illogical. You can't apply logic to an illogical situation.

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Do you know anyone who has thought of/actually attempted the act?

Unfortunately. Several who have succeeded.

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Do you feel like enough emphasis is aimed at teenagers these days?

Honestly, I think teens are getting MUCH more attention about it than, say, military veterans. That's not to say that anyone is getting the help or treatment they need, though. Great strides need to be taken in the mental health care situation, in accessibility, cost, and other areas. Many people would benefit greatly if they could see a doctor/therapist/psychiatrist/etc more easily, and without the damaging social stigma.

More Than Mortal · October 21, 2014, 10:11:30 AM

Calling you ignorant is an attack on your argument because your apparent ignorance is a direct consequence of the content of your assertion. Ignorance stems from an assertion being devoid of reason, facts or coherence. If you want to construe that as an attack on your character then that isn't really my problem; you could quite easily go from being offended at being called ignorant to being challenged at all, since any assertion to the contrary is, by proxy, a charge of some sort of ignorance.

Now, if you don't like the explanation I've just given you for why ignorance isn't an insult - and why the charge of ignorance is hidden in any sort of challenge - then I'll amend it because I can't be bothered to argue over something so damn asinine.

"ITT: kinder displays a deficit in his reasoned understanding of depression and suicide, thus his assertion is without much worth".

Although, I'd advise not expecting others to be so politically correct for your benefit, especially after calling suicidal people cowards.

Sandtrap · October 21, 2014, 10:15:31 AM

Quote from: Kinder on October 21, 2014, 10:03:49 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 09:55:30 AM
Calling you ignorant isn't an attack on your character in any way whatsoever; it's merely an observation as to your apparent "intellectual deficit" when it comes to the issue. It's essentially equal to me getting flustered if you said I was ignorant about guns.

If I said "Kinder demonstrates his shitflinging retardation and general sperglordyness" then it'd be a personal attack. But if you're going to claim suicidal people are cowards, I don't see how calling you ignorant is any worse or, regardless, an insult in the first place.

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no attacking others
Oh, it is an attack. Calling a person ignorant IS attacking the character. Attack the argument, not the person. Stay mad

Not exactly. It's not a crime to be ignorant to something. There's nothing bad implied by the word that most people associate with it. The point is, we're all people. But we just don't know everything. And we often say stuff on subjects we don't have the best grasp on.

For instance, if I were to go into a full blown discussion of politics with Meta, it would be a mess. I watch and keep up with political events, but if I had a discussion with him, it would be his side, which he obviously knows his shit, and my side, a guy who not only gives a flying frack about politics, but can and has made assumptions based off my rather simple world view.

I'm ignorant to politics. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I'm just not educated in that field. Which is why for the most part I keep my trap shut when it comes to that sort of stuff.

Ignorance isn't an insult. It's something all of us have in one field or another.

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 10:15:46 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 10:11:30 AM

Calling you ignorant is an attack on yoir argument because your ignorance is a direct consequence of the content of your assertion. Ignorance stems from an assertion being devoid of reason, facts or coherence. If you want to construe that as an attack on your character then that isn't really my problem; you could quite easily go from being offended at being called ignorant to being challenged at all, since any assertion to the contrary is, by proxy, a charge of some sort of ignorance.

Now, if you don't like the explanation I've just given you for why ignorance isn't an insult - and why the charge of ignorance is hidden in any sort of challenge - then I'll amend it because I can't be bothered to argue over something so damn asinine.

"ITT: kinder displays a deficit in his reasoned understanding of depression and suicide, thus his assertion is without much worth".

Although, I'd advise not expecting others to be so politically correct for your benefit, especially after calling suicidal people cowards.

You can seriously quit the damage control act right now. You broke the rule in the OP so face your actions.

Funny how you and everybody else gets so damn butt flustered over my opinion. If that's how you act online then I'm seriously concerned as to how you act in real life. Calling an opinion of a person, who has suffered and went through very difficult times that suicidal people go through, ignorant will get you nowhere in life

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 10:20:06 AM

Quote from: Sandtrap on October 21, 2014, 10:15:31 AM

Quote from: Kinder on October 21, 2014, 10:03:49 AM
Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 09:55:30 AM
Calling you ignorant isn't an attack on your character in any way whatsoever; it's merely an observation as to your apparent "intellectual deficit" when it comes to the issue. It's essentially equal to me getting flustered if you said I was ignorant about guns.

If I said "Kinder demonstrates his shitflinging retardation and general sperglordyness" then it'd be a personal attack. But if you're going to claim suicidal people are cowards, I don't see how calling you ignorant is any worse or, regardless, an insult in the first place.

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no attacking others
Oh, it is an attack. Calling a person ignorant IS attacking the character. Attack the argument, not the person. Stay mad

Not exactly. It's not a crime to be ignorant to something. There's nothing bad implied by the word that most people associate with it. The point is, we're all people. But we just don't know everything. And we often say stuff on subjects we don't have the best grasp on.

For instance, if I were to go into a full blown discussion of politics with Meta, it would be a mess. I watch and keep up with political events, but if I had a discussion with him, it would be his side, which he obviously knows his shit, and my side, a guy who not only gives a flying frack about politics, but can and has made assumptions based off my rather simple world view.

I'm ignorant to politics. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I'm just not educated in that field. Which is why for the most part I keep my trap shut when it comes to that sort of stuff.

Ignorance isn't an insult. It's something all of us have in one field or another.

Yeah, I understand what you mean. But Meta in this case isn't using it the way you're describing it. He's straight up called me ignorant without any way to prove it and now is going into full damage control over it because I called him out on it. I've gone through depression; I've felt what suicidal people felt. It was terrible but I held onto the good and let that carry me out of the dark

More Than Mortal · October 21, 2014, 10:20:08 AM

I'm not damage controlling in the slightest. I gave you my reasons as to why the charge of ignorance isn't an insult, and then amended it because I'm unwilling to argue such a ridiculous and juvenile point with you.

Stop dragging it on and accusing me of damage control when I quite explicitly amended with deterrence to your opinion in order to try and avoid exactly the sort of shit you're pullong right now.

Mate, just stop being so defensive and drop the point. Think I'm damage controlling all you want, but trying to call me out and trying to drag me into an unworthy issue isn't worth your time nor mine.

Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 10:21:52 AM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on October 21, 2014, 10:20:08 AM

I'm not damage controlling in the slightest. I gave you my reasons as to why the charge of ignorance isn't an insult, and then amended it because I'm unwilling to argue such a ridiculous and juvenile point with you.

Stop dragging it on and accusing me of damage control when I quite explicitly amended with deterrence to your opinion in order to try and avoid exactly the sort of shit you're pullong right now.

Mate, just stop being so defensive and drop the point. Think I'm damage controlling all you want, but trying to call me out and trying to drag me into an unworthy issue isn't worth your time nor mine.

>tells me to stop dragging it out
>is the one who started it by insulting me when didn't need to respond to me

This is too damn rich. Continue on with your damage control

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Kinder Graham · October 21, 2014, 10:25:36 AM